Water spots on vehicle coated in June 2017

[The Guz]

Actually I was going off a very thought out test by another forum member.
So yeah it does remove or at least effect a coatings property.

What tests have you done?

lol I'm sure " the Guz" hasn't done any testing either.

I find it funny people right off the bat were suggesting water spot remover, the obvious easy answer without any consideration as to what it will do to the coating.

Alright dude, I am sure you are trying to be funny and honestly you are not. Perhaps you must still be upset at the comment you misinterpreted about the Rupes polisher in another thread.

But I could ask you the same thing. What sort of testing have you personally done? What proof do you have? One members experience doesn't equate to the same experience of others.

What I find funny is someone making posts that are not helpful to the original question.

IMO Rasky makes a solid post and I would trust his professional experience.

So one suggestion was CarPro Essence Plus:

"CarPro Essence PLUS isn’t a correcting compound or paint polisher; rather it’s a high gloss jewelling coat used to extend the life of your coating. The non-abrasive formula repairs fine scratches and swirls, but does so without removing your previous ceramic coating. Don’t undo hours of hard work in one application!"

Second suggestion is:

Use CarPro Spotless Water Spot Remover to maintain your Cquartz coated vehicle. Even though coatings like Cquartz provide a rock-hard barrier of protection, they can still degrade due to the long-term effects of calcium building up on the surface. Regular application of CarPro Spotless Water Spot Remover will keep your Cquartz coated vehicle looking its best!

Both products are made by CarPro and are designed to work with their coatings. So, I guess I volunteered to be the tester her!
I'll start with spotless - see how that works.

The thing is, everyday like clock-work at 4:30pm until about 10pm... we get a good dousing of rain.

You may find this recent thread interesting on essence plus. But I agree starting off with the non-abrasive approach first.

https://www.autopia.org/forums/product-reviews/188163-essence-plus-brief-review.html

 

[glfnaz]

Awesome responses! Thank you.
I have to place an order for reload due to a big job coming up.

I will add spotless and essence plus to the order.

Moving to Arizona has brought challenges that I haven't had to deal with before in NH. Thanks!!


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I've got essence plus. I'm up the street in Snotts-Dale if you want to try it.
PM me.
Brad

 

[RaskyR1]

Actually I was going off a very thought out test by another forum member.
So yeah it does remove or at least effect a coatings property.

What tests have you done?

lol I'm sure " the Guz" hasn't done any testing either.

I find it funny people right off the bat were suggesting water spot remover, the obvious easy answer without any consideration as to what it will do to the coating.

I've done plenty of testing with various coatings in the 7+ years that I've been offering them. As far as water spot removers, use of them has been on my own cars and various clients cars. They didn't always remove the water spots, but they have never removed or shown any signs of diminishing the coating. I'd love to see the testing you mentioned though.

Coating test panel left outside for 9 months untouched




Testing the effect of different paint preps on coating durability


5 different coatings, 3 pro, 2 consumer, all sat outside 24/7 with only washing occasionally, no toppers ever. This was about 32 months of testing prior to trading it in.


8 different coatings, some pro, some consumer, and one wax. Testing to see which stayed the cleanest during the winter months with all our salt and sand.

 

[RaskyR1]

double post

 

[PaulMys]

I've done plenty of testing with various coatings in the 7+ years that I've been offering them. As far as water spot removers, use of them has been on my own cars and various clients cars. They didn't always remove the water spots, but they have never removed or shown any signs of diminishing the coating. I'd love to see the testing you mentioned though.

Coating test panel left outside for 9 months untouched




Testing the effect of different paint preps on coating durability


5 different coatings, 3 pro, 2 consumer, all sat outside 24/7 with only washing occasionally, no toppers ever. This was about 32 months of testing prior to trading it in.


8 different coatings, some pro, some consumer, and one wax. Testing to see which stayed the cleanest during the winter months with all our salt and sand.

VERY nice tests!! Great truck too.

 

[LSNAutoDetailingLSNAutoDetailing is verified member.]

So I spoke with a water expert today. Meaning he had some credentials and could explain the situation. Essentially as the temperature rises, water will maintain more salts or "electro static charge of free radicals". This coupled by the monsoon season where our storms are a mix of severe rain storms preceded by dust storms, the heated water plus a mix of rich minerals of zinc, copper, iron etc, including the thick industrial fallout in our valley due to smog makes a toxic mix.

Wow... I got an education... so the solution is, I need to find a house with a 3 car garage, and quickly get on the vehicles if they have beading water droplets.

The irony is, I noticed vehicles without any protection don't have beeding, thus they don't have water spots. Isn't that a counter argument for protection. They will however experience clearcoat failure in about six months.

I ordered a series of products. McKee's 37 water spot remover, Essence Plus and CarPro Spotless. I'll use this car as a test subject for all three and document the results.

I'm glad I'm digging into this problem and it's on my POV. Experience gained is knowledge.
My Honda Fit is the "dog car" and family UTE.
Just glad the Mustang's are tucked away.

Lastly if a quality coating can't stand up to AZ, the best case is HD Speed on the horizontal panels every few months topped with ReLoad.




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[SNP209]

I am a complete noob when it comes to coatings, but if a coating was more geared towards sheeting as opposed to beading, wouldn't that make it less susceptible to water spots? The water would just "sheet" right off as opposed to bead on the surface and possibly etch into the paint. Just a thought.

 

[idriveblackcars]

Alright dude, I am sure you are trying to be funny and honestly you are not. Perhaps you must still be upset at the comment you misinterpreted about the Rupes polisher in another thread.

But I could ask you the same thing. What sort of testing have you personally done? What proof do you have? One members experience doesn't equate to the same experience of others.

What I find funny is someone making posts that are not helpful to the original question.

IMO Rasky makes a solid post and I would trust his professional experience.



You may find this recent thread interesting on essence plus. But I agree starting off with the non-abrasive approach first.

https://www.autopia.org/forums/product-reviews/188163-essence-plus-brief-review.html

Nope not trying to be funny, you're slightly annoying actually. And not being helpful ? Ok I guess I will shut the #### up them. Go ahead apply a water spot remover to a coating and see what happens lol.

Even Optimum will tell you. This is why I can't stand this forum, never have no offense. I'm not even going to bother to look up the thread I was referring to where half the idiots here posted in.

 

[idriveblackcars]

This wasn't even one of the threads but here is another one for ya "the Guz"

https://www.autogeekonline.net/foru...-remover-hydrophobic-coating.html#post1506753

 

[idriveblackcars]

I've done plenty of testing with various coatings in the 7+ years that I've been offering them. As far as water spot removers, use of them has been on my own cars and various clients cars. They didn't always remove the water spots, but they have never removed or shown any signs of diminishing the coating. I'd love to see the testing you mentioned though.

Coating test panel left outside for 9 months untouched




Testing the effect of different paint preps on coating durability


5 different coatings, 3 pro, 2 consumer, all sat outside 24/7 with only washing occasionally, no toppers ever. This was about 32 months of testing prior to trading it in.


8 different coatings, some pro, some consumer, and one wax. Testing to see which stayed the cleanest during the winter months with all our salt and sand.

7 years of tests? Hmmm guess you wasted your time. Cause water spot remover does effect coating properties. How could someone do "7 years of testing" and come to the conclusions it does not?

Either A. you never did 7 years of testing, or B. you didn't do a good job testing either one is possible

 

[TTQ B4U]

I ordered a series of products. McKee's 37 water spot remover, Essence Plus and CarPro Spotless. I'll use this car as a test subject for all three and document the results.

Lastly if a quality coating can't stand up to AZ, the best case is HD Speed on the horizontal panels every few months topped with ReLoad.

Cool! Please do keep us posted. I use CarPro Product a lot and really like them but McKee's too. I use Spotless with great results and agree that it doesn't impact the coating at all. Always open to McKee's if the value is there and performance is same.

 

[The Guz]

Ok I guess I will shut the #### up them.

This is why I can't stand this forum, never have no offense. I'm not even going to bother to look up the thread I was referring to where half the idiots here posted in.

Please do. If you don't like being on the forum then don't let the door hit you on the way out.

7 years of tests? Hmmm guess you wasted your time. Cause water spot remover does effect coating properties. How could someone do "7 years of testing" and come to the conclusions it does not?

Either A. you never did 7 years of testing, or B. you didn't do a good job testing either one is possible

I am still waiting for your test data. At least Rasky provided some sort of feedback. All you have provided is someone else's data.

 

[Marc08EX]

7 years of tests? Hmmm guess you wasted your time. Cause water spot remover does effect coating properties. How could someone do "7 years of testing" and come to the conclusions it does not?

Either A. you never did 7 years of testing, or B. you didn't do a good job testing either one is possible

Rasky is one of the most well respected detailers in the country. He has done lots of tests with pictures and data to back them up. Manufacturers have asked him numerous times to test their new products for them and provide honest feedback. Heck, even Jeff from Griot's Garage made him a beta tester for the BOSS system! I think that speaks volume on how much skill he has. I had the pleasure of meeting him in SEMA once and he's genuinely one of the nicest and most knowledgeable guys around.

I wouldn't call his tests a waste of time because he tested lots of different coatings and in a long span of time. He has coated lots of customer cars as well in a span of many many years. I'm sure he has some data points from that too.

Also, TheGuz is a very well respected and a very knowledgeable member of the forum. He's a very good contributor too and provides a lot of insight and feedback to people asking for help. AG even asks him to review products! That speaks volume IMO on how much value he adds to the forum.

What have you done? Do you have any data to back up your claim? What if your experience was because of user error in prepping the surface for the coating? Have an open mind at least. Just because you believe in something or experienced sometching doesn't mean it's always right.

 

[Marc08EX]

To the OP, what's up Paul? I didn't know you moved to AZ... that's crazy! It's so hot here during summer lol! NH has better weather

Have the water spots etched into your paint? IMO, water spots are inevitable here in AZ esp from monsoon rains. But it's not as bad as water spots from water sprinklers or tap water. Have you tried wiping them off with a waterless wash? I've never had any issues with rain water spots. They always wiped right off using a WW.

 

[PouncingPanzer]

Carpro has a deposit remover as well. Reach out to Corey at Carpro and see what he recommends.

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Spotless will affect a coating's performance. I used it on my roof and in the small area I tested hte water beads changed. Maybe didn't remove the coating, but it changed the surface tension some. In Spotless' defense though, it wasn't a CarPro coating. It does work good however, I dilute Spotless 1:1 as it's a pretty thick and "oily like" MDR. CarPro recommended to me that I follow up with Reload or whatever protection I used after using it.

 

[ronkh57]

wow......
I can tell you that Rasky's and Guz's reputatuon means more to them than anything.. If they tell you what and how ti do something
believe them. They know what they speak of.

If they told me.i needed to take a grinding wheel to my car I'd believe em.

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[RaskyR1]

7 years of tests? Hmmm guess you wasted your time. Cause water spot remover does effect coating properties. How could someone do "7 years of testing" and come to the conclusions it does not?

Either A. you never did 7 years of testing, or B. you didn't do a good job testing either one is possible

I think you need to reread my post. I've been installing professional coatings for over 7 years, I never said I had a 7 year long test going. However, over those 7+ years I have tested various coatings for various things. This way I can provide my clients the coating I feel is best for their vehicle. Other than the photographic eveidence of my tests I don't know what more I can show you.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Nope not trying to be funny, you're slightly annoying actually. And not being helpful ? Ok I guess I will shut the #### up them. Go ahead apply a water spot remover to a coating and see what happens lol.

Even Optimum will tell you. This is why I can't stand this forum, never have no offense.

I'm not even going to bother to look up the thread I was referring to where half the idiots here posted in.

We don't put up with anyone that talks to our forum members like this.

Been ther done that - never going to happen again on this forum.

I changed your status to time out.

:dunno:

 

[808_detail_nut]

Well I did test a uncoated aluminum bottle coated with the brand that I use (won't say because it's not sold on AG) and let it sit in a hydrofluoric cleaner for 15 minutes and no etching so I'm sure a quick wipe down with a light acid won't do damage. I'm no expert but just sharing my experiences over the last 2 years of installing. It's good to know your product and what they can and cannot do but it's people like the black car guy that ruin it for novice or weekend warrior detailer. That's kind of why I haven't came on this forum for a few years for that reason alone. Too many experts who do no testing. Anyway here's my 2 cents.


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[kevincwelch]

This has been an interesting thread.

I think there are valid arguments on both sides of the issue in terms of whether a water spot remover actually removes the coating. Chemically speaking, the weak acids in water spot removers shouldn't be able to break the SiO2 bonds. However, I do firmly believe that the water spot removers do something to silica coatings.

I have my own eyes and testing that confirms that it does something to the coating that I haven't been able to restore without applying a booster. But, I don't think water spot removers actually remove coatings. See the following:

https://www.autopia.org/forums/auto...t-water-spot-remover-hydrophobic-coating.html

Something's going on. It's interesting to make hypotheses, but honestly, the chemical make-up of all the different water spot removers is probably very similar, and there probably isn't much difference among the silica coatings, save silica content.

Having tried three different water spot removers (CarPro, TAC, Gyeon - they may all be very similar) on different coatings (Gtechniq, Gyeon, Wolfgang, PA), I can say that something appears to happen to the hydrophobic properties that is easily restored with a booster product.