waterless vs water

[HD.Detailing]

Then you're doing a waterless wash incorrectly.

I don't do them, common sense tells me it's not safe.

 

[AeroCleanse]

I don't do them, common sense tells me it's not safe.

Lol. If you know what you're doing its perfectly safe.

 

[HD.Detailing]

Lol. If you know what you're doing its perfectly safe.

explain how you do it with out scratching.

 

[joegralto]

Wats diffrent from rubbing a cloth with soap and a cloth with water ? Or towel both can scratch

 

[HD.Detailing]

difference is the amount of liquid and lubricity to keep the particles from rubbing against the paint.

Dry towel, no free flowing water to remove some dirt sounds like a disaster to me... no way I would do that on a flawless finish.

to each their own, but I prefer traditional wash and occasionally rinse less.

 

[joegralto]

It.is.lubricated it has wax an lube ? In the waterless wash it dont scratch

 

[joegralto]

Its actually safer cuz its wax wen.u dry, reg wash u dry with dry towel

 

[HD.Detailing]

think what you want

 

[cleanmycorolla]

Waterless=swirls/scratches

Not for me


Sent from my Alien ship

If thats the case, you're doing it way wrong....

 

[swanicyouth]

I've used EcoSmart and quite frankly don't like it much compared to other waterless washes. It's smeary and may or may not contain some type of clay or some gunk that aggregates at the bottom of the bottle.

It doesn't matter much if a waterless wash contains "wax" or polymers that it leaves behind. You can still use it prior to waxing or polishing, etc...

The real issue is cost and ease of use. Pinnacle Waterless and UWW+ dilute MANY times more than EcoSmart making them significantly cheaper. They are also much easier to use and just all around better products. If you buy a gallon of either of the two products I recommended it will last you forever.

As for waterless washing as a process itself causing scratches - your experience may vary. I always pressure wash a car before using these products - and it's quite safe if done this way. I just can't see wiping off dirt I can easily rinse off. It's not the fastest way - but it works for me.

 

[allenk4]

Then you're doing a waterless wash incorrectly.

Aero hates water

Glad you are getting scratch/marring free results with your technique....you must have "Magic Hands"!

 

[AeroCleanse]

explain how you do it with out scratching.

Spray it on covering the surface, wipe in one direction. That's how you do it without scratching.

 

[AeroCleanse]

Aero hates water

Glad you are getting scratch/marring free results with your technique....you must have "Magic Hands"!

I don't hate water. Just have to learn how to do things correctly. I'm just glad I don't live in California, where you can't use free flowing water.

 

[allenk4]

thanks for feed back im sure theres plenty products that will remove wax but whyyy put waxxxx in the dam cleaner lol atleast make a non wax version since buyers will be detailing

Which products are you talking about that will "remove wax"?

There are lots of paint "cleaners" that do not leave a protection (wax, sealant) behind. I listed Pinnacle Paintwork Cleaning Lotion earlier in this thread

 

[allenk4]

Spray it on covering the surface, wipe in one direction. That's how you do it without scratching.

How dirty can the surface be, before this technique is no longer "scratch-free"?

Where do you draw the line and go to a 2BM?

 

[allenk4]

I don't hate water. Just have to learn how to do things correctly. I'm just glad I don't live in California, where you can't use free flowing water.

Who told you we can't use "free flowing water" in California?

I see it everyday out here

 

[AeroCleanse]

How dirty can the surface be, before this technique is no longer "scratch-free"?

Where do you draw the line and go to a 2BM?

I actually prefer a rinseless wash to waterless. Neither of which is good for say a vehicle that has been off road and caked with mud.

Before I bought my Optima steamer, I used to foam down a car, then wash it with 3 buckets, 2 for paint and one for wheels only. I just hate when water runs out of nooks and crannies and though the area where I am polishing.

Each type of wash has it pluses and minuses.

 

[KMdef9]

Using Ecosmart in the sun can leave streaks that take alittle more buffing to remove, like Swanic mentioned.

How dirty can the surface be, before this technique is no longer "scratch-free"?

Where do you draw the line and go to a 2BM?

For me, waterless washes are used for a dust removal, light build up, just under dirt build up where the need for rinseless is called. Some people use a QD for this kind of dirty, but I use the WW and tons of towels.


To the OP, whatever minor wax a rinless of waterless leaves behind is more of touch up wax, nothing like the wax that is applied as a LSP. Therefore when you clay, let alone polish, the little wax that RW or WW leaves behind will be removed. If applying a sealnt that needs bare paint, an ISP or other similar product should be used anyways.

 

[joegralto]

because some people wash their car once a week, and when they wash, they want to leave behind a little protection so they can skip the wax once every 3 weeks or so. and go once every few months instead.

it's mostly preference. some people prefer to completely strip wax before applying new, and others don't give a hoot and just top a topper with a topping

i understand but as a detailing company they should have a product designed for the detailer who needs a wash without wax well they do just not waterless.

 

[SonOfOC]

Who told you we can't use "free flowing water" in California?

I see it everyday out here

There's plenty of areas in California that flat out do not allow you to wash your car in the driveway.

On top of that, all of California is banned from washing cars without a nozzle (free flowing running water). Doing so is punishable up to a $500 fine.