Wax breakdown

frankprozzoly

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I don't know how long ago I waxed but it's been no longer than 2 months. Some areas has 845 and some megs 21. Not sure what is where. This looks like it's breaking down already. I'm a little disappointed. What does it look like to you
 
I believe you've already had some snow.
Did you drive your car through snow/ice melt chemicals,
and the resulting residues?
This will often contribute to lessen the tight-and-high beads effect.

Is this a photo taken right after you've washed your car...
Or right after a recent rain?

Bob
 
How does that compare to when it was freshly applied?
 
I pulled it into the garage after driving in the rain. The beads are very tight after application.
 
Yes Bob we've had some salt put down on the roads recently. Maybe I've been doing too many rinseless washes. If the weather isn't bad, sometimes I'll wipe it down 2, 3 times a week
 
From that picture it does look like it's thinned out quite a bit but there is still some hanging tough. Time for more!
 
You mentioned that you have done rinseless washes and wiped it down often. What products are you using in those 2 scenarios?
 
I use megs express wash 114. Bob mentioned that 114 is a very good cleaner. Maybe it breaks down the wax if used often
 
What dilution ratio are you using D114? M21 has really never beaded for me very well. For me it sheets better than it beads.
 
frankprozzoly said:
I pulled it into the garage after driving in the rain. The beads are very tight after application.
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frankprozzoly said:
Yes Bob we've had some salt put down on the roads recently. Maybe I've been doing too many rinseless washes. If the weather isn't bad, sometimes I'll wipe it down 2, 3 times a week
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Alrighty then.
Now we're getting somewhere.

You need to get rid of any road-film
and rinseless-wash residues.

Nowadays, when this occurs with my vehicles:
I'll usually break out a bucket of fairly hot water, and a few clean
high-nap microfiber towels...for a thorough wipedown.

I will usually follow-up with a reapplication of the LSP,
or a Spray Wax of sorts.

Remember:
The more you touch the originally LSP'ed paint...
The more the chances of the LSP being degraded.

Bob
 
I'm gonna leave the paint be longer during these upcoming crappy months
 
Is that a horizontal panel? Beading should be tall and round and fairly uniform, even if varying in sizes. I'm hard pressed to find anything round there. It's safe to assume the LSP is on its last legs.
 
It's would be interesting to know where the 845 is. I used a double coat of it and it still beads like crazy.
 
frankprozzoly said:
I pulled it into the garage after driving in the rain. The beads are very tight after application.
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frankprozzoly said:
Yes Bob we've had some salt put down on the roads recently. Maybe I've been doing too many rinseless washes. If the weather isn't bad, sometimes I'll wipe it down 2, 3 times a week
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I think this might be the answer to what you're seeing. If there is some grime and salt on the car it cause the beading to degrade.

My vehicles with 845 bead like crazy, but after they get a little dirty, you can see the difference.
 
This picture is of the trunk. So I cleaned it snd it didn't really bead as much as it sheeted really well. I put a coat of 845 anyway and beaded very well after that. Maybe I'll start using duragloss rinseless with wax instead of express wash. Maybe so many rinseless washes with 114 is degrading the lsp
 
So this seems like a Catch 22....

The road salt / grime will degrade the LSP, but so will "touching it too much" (i.e. too many rinseless or waterless washes, which would remove the salt and grime).

So which is the lesser of 2 evils?

I haven't started doing any waterless washing yet but I was planning on doing this through the winter. Just got a coat of Collinite on yesterday.
 
I wonder if using a spray wax after each D114 would help extend the life of your LSP.
 
apthai86 said:
I wonder if using a spray wax after each D114 would help extend the life of your LSP.
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The spray wax becomes your Last Step Product

Your paint will exhibit the characteristics of the new LSP

The new LSP can act as a sacrificial barrier for previously applied product

Be aware that the mechanical abrasion of applying the new LSP and possibly the solvents in the new LSP do not remove the old LSP


"Find what you like and use it often"
 
allenk4 said:
The spray wax becomes your Last Step Product

Your paint will exhibit the characteristics of the new LSP

The new LSP can act as a sacrificial barrier for previously applied product

Be aware that the mechanical abrasion of applying the new LSP and possibly the solvents in the new LSP do not remove the old LSP


"Find what you like and use it often"
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Don't mean to go off course but what if you use something like Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant. Then after using D114 follow it up with Wolfgang Deep Gloss Spritz Sealant? Since they are pretty much the same thing I would assume they exhibit the same LSP behavior?
 
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