Waxing after fresh paint

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So, my truck will be going in to have a dent repaired next week. They will be completely repainting the door and blending the back door and front fender. I'm assure they're going to tell me not to wax it for a month or so, but are there any Autobody paint safe waxes on the market? It's going to kill me not being able to wax basically the entire passenger side of my truck. Any input would be great.

Need to keep that tuxedo black metallic looking amazing

 
3M Imperial Hand Glaze is recommended by Mike Phillips AND FUNX75

In the AMX wet sanding video by MF, that painter recommended 90 days
 
Post some close-up pictures of the repair, especially the area where they blend the clear coat
 
allenk4 said:
Post some close-up pictures of the repair, especially the area where they blend the clear coat
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Will do. From what I understand is they are doing to blending to match the repaired panel as this paint is difficult to match when doing repair work. All of that for a dent the size of a quarter.... Ugh
 
One2nine said:
Will do. From what I understand is they are doing to blending to match the repaired panel as this paint is difficult to match when doing repair work. All of that for a dent the size of a quarter.... Ugh
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Buddy ive repainted many fords with that tuxedo black and i can assure you it aint difficult to blend. I always get a perfect match and i never need to blend into other panels. I painted so many fords i know the paint codes by memory, tuxedo black is UH! I have painted just the fenders, doors, bumpers and never have felt the need to blend into other panels. I inspect my work in direct sun and i always see a perfect match! From my understanding, if the paint is not mixed correctly it can be off. Some painters just mix in a hurry and they put in more or less paint of a toner required for that color and then they blame the paint system when it was them mixing in a hurry. It also depends on the brand of the paint, low end paints dont always 100% match... But hey! Good luck! :xyxthumbs:
 
Btw! I fixed my focus and i got a perfect match! Its tuxedo black as well!
 
The shop I'm taking it to is the premier Autobody shop in the area, so I know their work is too notch. I'm not a painter nor do I have any paint experience, so I'm just taking their word on the blending. I just want it to turn out showroom quality. I don't even have 5000 miles on the truck.
 
I'd just keep her clean and be careful where you park her for the first 30 days or so...

The topic of waxing or more technically, sealing fresh paint, is a topic that comes up all the time and I've read just about every opinion on this topic ever formulated by anyone and their brother.

Here's the dealio...


The reason not to seal fresh paint is to ensure a window of time passes for anything that in the fresh paint, that is any solvent or other VOC to outgas, that is to evaporate off of our out of the paint.

Because modern clearcoat paints are both chemically hardened as well as air dried and even forced dried from heat lamps, chances are very good that by the time you pick up your truck anything that could outgas has outgassed and if you were to seal the paint in the first week of bringing your truck home there would be no negative effect.

There are always a group of people that will even recommend you to seal the paint for the above reasons, (chemically cured), but they... are not the paint manufactures and they don't own the truck. So it's your call.

What I always say is,

What's the hurry?

About the worst thing that could happen to new paint is a bird dropping or water with something corrosive in it, like city water. But the thing about this is both bird droppings and city water from for example a water sprinkler, can both be corrosive enough to eat through any type of wax, sealant or coating you apply and then etch your truck's brand new paint job.

So sealing too soon still isn't a guarantee no damage will happen.

So what I say is, what's the hurry? Just be careful where you park it and keep it clean for the next 30 days. If you want to put something on the paint that will not seal the paint and prevent any outgassing processes, then use either the #7 Show Car Glaze or the 3M Imperial Hand Glaze. Both are meant for this exact same reason.


And for anyone interested in more information on this topic here's a handful of articles....


Don't wax your car for at least 30 days!

Fresh Paint - But you can touch it...

Body Shop Safe Glaze on Fresh Paint - #7 Show Car Glaze




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Just out of curiosity, if you say its small, dont you think a pdr guy could of done it and no need to respray?
 
Hey Mike, I am having my car in the body shop right now.
it should be done by the end of this week.

I never had any experience with repainted surfaces.
So i was wondering will i be able to compound and polish the new paint? Then put a layer of coating such as CQUK?

Or am i suppose to wait for a certain amount of time?
 
93fox said:
Btw! I fixed my focus and i got a perfect match! Its tuxedo black as well!
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Post some Before & Afters

Painters with your skill are apparently in short supply. Everyone I talk to wants to blend into the adjacent panel and nobody wants to blend CC
 
allenk4 said:
Post some Before & Afters

Painters with your skill are apparently in short supply. Everyone I talk to wants to blend into the adjacent panel and nobody wants to blend CC
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Will do this evening! I will admit that colors such as pearls and colors with tri coats that have tinted clears always do need a blend. Some colors you can get away with it, others no. But like i said, the paint system being used is very important. You cant expect the same results out of an ppg omni paint system compared to an BASF paint system or so. Ill post pictures later so you can see! :)
 
For every paint system there is a TDS (Technical Data Sheet) with wait time recommendations that vary between systems. Most experienced painters use the 60 to 90 day ballpark window to play it safe, I always do 90 days... YMMV

This is a DuPont TDS for their ChromaPremier clearcoat.

On the last page look under "tips for success" (page 5)

You'll see this paint system requires 120 days before waxing.

Dupont ChromaPremier 72200S Clear
 
RedXray said:
For every paint system there is a TDS (Technical Data Sheet) with wait time recommendations that vary between systems. Most experienced painters use the 60 to 90 day ballpark window to play it safe, I always do 90 days... YMMV

This is a DuPont TDS for their ChromaPremier clearcoat.

On the last page look under "tips for success" (page 5)

You'll see this paint system requires 120 days before waxing.

Dupont ChromaPremier 72200S Clear
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What happens if you wax fresh paint too soon?

Haven't seen you in a while XRay. Good to see you back.
 
EvolutionDetail said:
If you cant wax a fresh paint, can you put a coating on it?
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If you mean something like Opti-coat...absolutely not.

The paint has to breathe and release the solvents. To accomplish this, there cannot be anything between the paint and the atmosphere that will block this process.

There are bodyshop safe products such as 3M Imperial Hand Glaze that do not impede the out gassing process.
 
EvolutionDetail said:
If you cant wax a fresh paint, can you put a coating on it?
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The idea is to NOT put anything on the paint that will act to coat over and seal the paint. In the car detailing world that would include,

Car waxes
Synthetic Paint Sealants
Paint Coatings of any type
Cleaner/waxes - Yes, even cleaner/waxes seal the paint

I included a few articles in a previous post, they actually cover this topic in detail.


:xyxthumbs:
 
Thanks for the input mike!


The issue is the dent is over a crease in the body panel. Already tried paintless repair route.



93fox said:
Just out of curiosity, if you say its small, dont you think a pdr guy could of done it and no need to respray?
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Ok, so I got the truck back and can see some hologram buffing marks. I know I can't wax/seal but can polish correct. My issue here is I currently only have blackfire polish which I'm assuming has some sort of sealing property in it?
 
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