Ways to become more efficient?

Are you washing the cars in a shaded area and allowing the cars to cool? Your not attempting to do a two bucket wash in 80+ degree sunshine on the whole car are you? You'd really only be able to do it panel by panel or else its going to dry.

It isn't always possible when I go to these people's homes. I did two yesterday and they literally had no trees or artificial shade on the entire property. I have no issues with regular 2BM, it's when you add the foam cannon in the mix where my issues are arising. The foam cannon + 80 degree no cloud days are where my issues are.

It was so bad, after I foamed one side, I'd wash that side, dry it, proceed to foam the other side, the foam would catch wind and land on the freshly clean side then I would have to run over rinse it off, dry again and then proceed to wash/dry the other side ALL BEFORE the sun got to it. It was a goat roping for lack of better words.
 
How's this look?

1. Wheels/Tires
2. Bugs/Tar if needed
3. Presoak w/ PW
4. Wash w/ ONR
5. Wax or ONR Wash/Wax
 
It isn't always possible when I go to these people's homes. I did two yesterday and they literally had no trees or artificial shade on the entire property. I have no issues with regular 2BM, it's when you add the foam cannon in the mix where my issues are arising. The foam cannon + 80 degree no cloud days are where my issues are.

It was so bad, after I foamed one side, I'd wash that side, dry it, proceed to foam the other side, the foam would catch wind and land on the freshly clean side then I would have to run over rinse it off, dry again and then proceed to wash/dry the other side ALL BEFORE the sun got to it. It was a goat roping for lack of better words.


Why not buy an EZ-up or similar pop up shade. I can put mine up in 5 minutes and after its up and cool water is on the car is should allow you to work on it.
 
What about trucks and suvs?

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I may be out in right field here, but... been there before. Whether it's the foam gun or ONR I don't see where one versus the other is going to make that big of a difference. Sure... ONR is not going to dry out like soap suds, so perhaps on those jobs where there is no way to avoid full sun, then sure, get rid of the foam and go only with ONR.

The thing I'm seeing here (this is the "right field" part) is it sounds like scheduling is more of a problem than an extra 5 or 10 minutes during a "detail".

  1. If there is enough business out there, (and you say you have more than you can get to).
  2. And you're pricing your services to where you are making a wage that is commensurate with your skill and quality of your work.
  3. Then all you should really be shooting for is to stay booked.
That feeling you're having. The one when you feel like you don't have enough time in the day to get to all the jobs. Or you're having to cut corners to get the jobs done. Or just generally being rushed to no end, all day, non-stop. That's the first steps down the path to detailing burn out. Not saying (or reading into it) that you're not having just the most fantastic time of your life. ;) Doing 'quickie' wash-n-wax's all day long may pay the bills, but it'll wear you out, as well as burn you out.

That not withstanding.... you could do well by doing only 1 car per day. There are plenty of customers out there that will pay what you set down as your "going rate". Market your services to the client base that is willing to *pay* for the quality of service that they are getting.

There are the economy car drivers out there that want a $30 wash and wax, and there are the luxury car drivers out there that want a all day detail. It's all about deciding which one you want to fill your day with. Once you're work is out there, and your customers come to recognize the dedication and skill that you bring to the table you'll be able to move away from the 'quickie'.

Nothing wrong with staying 'booked'.

I recently spoke with a well known local detailer about just this subject. He doesn't touch an interior for less than $295, and anything that includes paint correction, even AIO starts at $495. And he is always 'booked'. Multi-stage paint correction will take from 20 to 30 hours, and he'll do one a week on average. (Considering the LX470 I started on today, NO DOUBT he's charging that much. I should charge that and then some for bringing this thing back to life!!!)

It's not that he's doing anything that you or I or anyone else isn't doing. Just that his business model is focused on people that WANT to spend the money. In other words... why bust your tail doing 2, 3, 4 cars a day when you can do a single car for 2 or 3 days? (This isn't from me... this is from him.) :dunno: Do you work just as hard on ONE car as you would have on 5? Well OF COURSE you do! But... you get paid more for it. (And it's likely that the cars are cooler too.) :)

So what was the point of all of this?

The type of work you do is all a state of mind.
 
Learn to take 2 hours per car do 4 a day. Charge at least 50 bucks a car. 200 a day almost all profit. Upgrade to wax, use optimum spray wax, bang extra money and no real added time, maybe 10 minutes.

When calculating costs, one needs to factor in your time (labor), transportation expenses (gas costs well over $3.40 per gallon), business licenses, insurance, taxes, wear and tear on equipment, supplies, etc. Anyone doing 4 cars a day needs should be legal.
 
Maybe I'm not understanding, but it sounds like you are using your pressure washer with a foam cannon only, and not rinsing the car off first with it? I think your concerns about ONR go away if you blast off the heavy dirt first with a pressure-wash rinse.
 
Imo, the only way to become efficient is have a solid routine down where it becomes 2nd nature. Than make a checklist of every single step you take. And after that you can chop and dissect what you're doing
 
I may be out in right field here, but... been there before. Whether it's the foam gun or ONR I don't see where one versus the other is going to make that big of a difference. Sure... ONR is not going to dry out like soap suds, so perhaps on those jobs where there is no way to avoid full sun, then sure, get rid of the foam and go only with ONR.

The thing I'm seeing here (this is the "right field" part) is it sounds like scheduling is more of a problem than an extra 5 or 10 minutes during a "detail".

  1. If there is enough business out there, (and you say you have more than you can get to).
  2. And you're pricing your services to where you are making a wage that is commensurate with your skill and quality of your work.
  3. Then all you should really be shooting for is to stay booked.
That feeling you're having. The one when you feel like you don't have enough time in the day to get to all the jobs. Or you're having to cut corners to get the jobs done. Or just generally being rushed to no end, all day, non-stop. That's the first steps down the path to detailing burn out. Not saying (or reading into it) that you're not having just the most fantastic time of your life. ;) Doing 'quickie' wash-n-wax's all day long may pay the bills, but it'll wear you out, as well as burn you out.

That not withstanding.... you could do well by doing only 1 car per day. There are plenty of customers out there that will pay what you set down as your "going rate". Market your services to the client base that is willing to *pay* for the quality of service that they are getting.

There are the economy car drivers out there that want a $30 wash and wax, and there are the luxury car drivers out there that want a all day detail. It's all about deciding which one you want to fill your day with. Once you're work is out there, and your customers come to recognize the dedication and skill that you bring to the table you'll be able to move away from the 'quickie'.

Nothing wrong with staying 'booked'.

I recently spoke with a well known local detailer about just this subject. He doesn't touch an interior for less than $295, and anything that includes paint correction, even AIO starts at $495. And he is always 'booked'. Multi-stage paint correction will take from 20 to 30 hours, and he'll do one a week on average. (Considering the LX470 I started on today, NO DOUBT he's charging that much. I should charge that and then some for bringing this thing back to life!!!)

It's not that he's doing anything that you or I or anyone else isn't doing. Just that his business model is focused on people that WANT to spend the money. In other words... why bust your tail doing 2, 3, 4 cars a day when you can do a single car for 2 or 3 days? (This isn't from me... this is from him.) :dunno: Do you work just as hard on ONE car as you would have on 5? Well OF COURSE you do! But... you get paid more for it. (And it's likely that the cars are cooler too.) :)

So what was the point of all of this?

The type of work you do is all a state of mind.

Thanks for all that!

I'm trying to get established and I'm offering a little discount on prices but nothing that is killing me or burning me out per say.

Friday, I only did 2 cars and made $180. Washing those cars got me 5 other customers but here's the kicker, my set up is a ram 1500 with a 6x10 enclosed trailer. These clients are about 48-50 miles south of me but I work in a neighboring city full time. The only issues where I tend to over book myself are on days where I cater to these clients. I'm already out of let's say $30-40 bucks in gas after the day is done so I try to get as many done in a day to justify me driving down there. I just feel like the foam cannon isn't producing results worth the extra 30 minutes I spend in setup and actual washing. These vehicles are maintained well (Mercedes & classic cars) and I think I'd benefit dramatically from ONR.

As for making $495 a detail, I would love to and I have the clients that would pay that no questions asked but I feel like I'd need a shop to produce the type of paint correction that kind of money would buy.

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When calculating costs, one needs to factor in your time (labor), transportation expenses (gas costs well over $3.40 per gallon), business licenses, insurance, taxes, wear and tear on equipment, supplies, etc. Anyone doing 4 cars a day needs should be legal.

There's no way I can do 4 cars a day and be comfortable with my quality and not hate myself at the end of the day. This is strictly part time and I'm not going to kill myself doing this. I'm passionate about cleaning cars and I don't want to kill that by doing 4 speed washes in a day to clean out my schedule.

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Maybe I'm not understanding, but it sounds like you are using your pressure washer with a foam cannon only, and not rinsing the car off first with it? I think your concerns about ONR go away if you blast off the heavy dirt first with a pressure-wash rinse.

I think you're right, setec. When I do apply foam, half of the time the car is just lightly rinsed or just the front and rocket panels are..

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Imo, the only way to become efficient is have a solid routine down where it becomes 2nd nature. Than make a checklist of every single step you take. And after that you can chop and dissect what you're doing

I feel comfortable with my routine I think. I'm just trying to conserve time by not wasting it on processes that don't produce any better results than without them. I may be over analyzing but everyone that had chimed in has provided a different perspective to look at.

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I use a similar method/product to ONR. If you're worries about scratches/marring you can pressure wash the whole car quickly to knock off the stuff that doesn't liquefy, then with a garden sprayer spray the ONR on top of the water to help soften it, then 2BM the rest, finish with a MF. I usually keep one side a little moist for the areas that might have dried and are hard to buff off.

That, or get a helper.


I get your thinking here but pre rinsing with ONR is really not necessary. Any time I get a vehicle just way too dirty for ONR I just pull the buckets and the hose out. Unless there is literally caked on dirt I ONR wash. If you are dealing with bugs on the bumper etc. You can pre treat with some qd strength ONR to loosen.

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I get your thinking here but pre rinsing with ONR is really not necessary. Any time I get a vehicle just way too dirty for ONR I just pull the buckets and the hose out. Unless there is literally caked on dirt I ONR wash. If you are dealing with bugs on the bumper etc. You can pre treat with some qd strength ONR to loosen.

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I was wondering about that. I saw a few YouTube videos of guys pre-soaking panels with ONR and then washing like normal. It didn't really seem like it cut that much dirt with a pre-treatment.

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one car will take up to 6 man hrs of detailing time.
get a helper to do the interior.
4 details a day sounds like it's out of you realm of skill.
I only book 2-3 details a day with a helper.
If I'm by myself 2 at the most, and at the same location.
I never skip steps, with me you get my best detail and that's it. Cheap work sucks, cheap customers suck.
Get your system down before you start mass producing details.
and get rid of the foam gun.
also you need shade in the form of awnings. You can't detail in the sun when it's 90 degrees.
 
one car will take up to 6 man hrs of detailing time.
get a helper to do the interior.
4 details a day sounds like it's out of you realm of skill.
I only book 2-3 details a day with a helper.
If I'm by myself 2 at the most, and at the same location.
I never skip steps, with me you get my best detail and that's it. Cheap work sucks, cheap customers suck.
Get your system down before you start mass producing details.
and get rid of the foam gun.
also you need shade in the form of awnings. You can't detail in the sun when it's 90 degrees.

No doubt about the 4 clients a day. There is no way that's going to happen. I've settled with 2 a day that way I can charge what I'm worth and give the quality I'm building my reputation off of. I believe the foam gun is done :xyxthumbs: I just bought some ONR and I'm going to stick with 2BM for the super dirty cars.
 
Thanks for all that!

I'm trying to get established and I'm offering a little discount on prices but nothing that is killing me or burning me out per say.

Friday, I only did 2 cars and made $180. Washing those cars got me 5 other customers but here's the kicker, my set up is a ram 1500 with a 6x10 enclosed trailer. These clients are about 48-50 miles south of me but I work in a neighboring city full time. The only issues where I tend to over book myself are on days where I cater to these clients. I'm already out of let's say $30-40 bucks in gas after the day is done so I try to get as many done in a day to justify me driving down there. I just feel like the foam cannon isn't producing results worth the extra 30 minutes I spend in setup and actual washing. These vehicles are maintained well (Mercedes & classic cars) and I think I'd benefit dramatically from ONR.

As for making $495 a detail, I would love to and I have the clients that would pay that no questions asked but I feel like I'd need a shop to produce the type of paint correction that kind of money would buy.

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Mike,

Hope my last mssg didn't sound out of place? It honestly wasn't meant to be mean spirited. Just throwing that out there as a 'different approach' as it may be.

I hear ya' on giving a discount here and there to get established. Sounds like that 'out of town' day is both a blessing and a curse. :dunno: I used to have some accounts like that when I owned my towing business. They'd call here and there, and while I really didn't want to lose the account, I freaking HATED GOING THERE. :rolleyes: They would buy cars at the auction my wife worked at, (right in my back door), but delivering them meant I'd be 90 miles away from my 'home turf' and almost ALWAYS I'd end up having to come back empty. :eek: I finally told them I couldn't show up unless they had 2 cars, just didn't make sense, (no matter HOW much I charged them) for me to drive up there and have to come back empty.

Your deal there is similar. You are putting yourself out there just to service a small sale. Hopefully... once you're there you get some more 'small sales' and all of them together ends up making for a decent day.

Sounds like your setup though is a solid deal! I'd kill for your RAM and an enclosed trailer. (If I were able to work it regularly. Which with my back is physically impossible.) I only do part time, and simply do not want anything more than that.

Tell ya' what though, sounds like Friday you had a good day! :props: Those 2 cars paid OK, but the REAL money was in booking 5 more. :D

I mentioned the guy I had the conversation with, because I understand *why* he chose that business model. Now that doesn't mean it'll work, with him, with me, with anyone. But you know that people are constantly looking for a cheap deal. The other side of that coin is that there are plenty of people that want to separate themselves from the cheap way of doing things. You mentioned customers with hi-line cars. When a guy decides to buy a Mercedes, where does he go? Does he go to the Toyota dealership, hoping for a cheap Mercedes? Nope.... he goes to the Mercedes dealership where all the salesmen wear ties. Where the place is clean enough to eat off of the floor. Where there are Mercedes polo shirts, and golf balls, and money clips and you name it. It's about the mystique of driving the 3 pointed star. About aligning yourself with people that are successful.

I've had hi-line accounts before, and all of them think like that. They don't WANT to be cheap. And if two detailers are standing in front of a guy driving an S class, both wanting his business...

One says "I'll do your car for $50 sir, nobody beats my prices.".

The other says "Sir, I cater exclusively to executive class automobiles, my service is the best there is, my results speak for themselves and rest assured you will not find a better $150 detail job for your car anywhere. You have my word on it!"

Guess which one gets the shiny new S class? ;)

That's what I was saying about it all being a state of mind.

This LX470 I've got in my garage is a fairly old truck. The doctor that owns it was wanting to spend $200 to "clean it up" (his exact words). When we showed up in our Denali (that is the same year as his, but detailed and slick) to pick it up he took one look and said "Well it may need more, do what you think it needs. Can you do it for $300?" I told him I'd try to keep it in budget but the interior was pretty bad. And that actually we may spend a day just on the interior. (Which we darn near did! Freaking drinks spilled everywhere, Coke splatter in the freaking headliner!!!!) :eek:

Swirls are massive! I had my swirl finder light with me (always do) and pointed out how bad they were. Remembering that this Toyota/Lexus black is single stage!!! I told him that while we COULD take all the swirls out, that there was no need to go to that much detail (it's his wife's DD) BUT... we could take out 75%~80% of them and have a really good shine, and a nice slick surface. (Like our Denali which he'd already been feeling of.)

So basically it's an BIG interior job with a good wheel cleaning, good wheel well cleaning, a quick under the hood dirt knock down and wipe, ONR'ing the jambs, a quick Megs D151 all over, and a couple of coats of polycharged DG 951, and after all is said and done it's a $450 detail.

I'll take them like this every time. Doesn't mean I work less than if I were doing 3 cars a day for 2 days, (although it might ;) )... but it DOES mean that I get paid what *HE* thinks I'm worth. Really doesn't matter what *WE* think we are worth, it's about making our customers think that *THEY* are getting the best there is. Once they do, then it's all gravy from that point forward. You don't need a "shop" to do that, you just need a customer that believes in you like YOU believe in you. (FWIW, I don't have to feed my family with detailing, so that may take some pressure off. I also do mine from home. (oversized 3 car garage) Don't do mobile, and yes... I'll still stay part time.) ;)
 
How about using the foam gun to wash the car with quick disconnects? I rinse the car down and then use my foam gun and wash mitt at the same time, shooting soap into the mitt while I wash ensuring plenty of soap and lubrication on the panel or section. If you need to rinse simply disconnect foam gun and use the hose nozzle to rinse, reconnect foam gun and continue to wash.

Here is a video of what I was talking about, fast forward to 7:05 if you don't want to watch the entire video. I don't have a pressure washer at the moment, so I am currently using this method and am happy with it so far.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Sqi1lAj1A]Audi R8 BLACKBIRD: Basic Car Wash Techniques - DRIVE CLEAN - YouTube[/video]
 
How much wash product do you use per car? 2BM with a pre-soak, and consistent foam while washing. You have to be burning through it haha

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