Well... I am a dumbass. I need some advice on fixing my mistake please!!!

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Ok so a couple months ago i spent about 15 hours polishing out the BLACK paint on my 2008 Corvette Z06 and had it damn near to perfection! Used orange/M105, white/m205, wolfgang DG, and finished with Pinacle Souveran. Looked spectacular!

Fast forward to today. I washed the car two weeks ago but it just sat in the garage and since its black its just a dust magnet. I pull it out today and decided that i need to re-wash the car so i start spraying it off and realize that im out of my good car wash soap and ill be damned if i use dish soap! So... I say hey it rinsed off pretty good and actually looks clean still so i decide i dont need to any stinking soap and i blow dry it off with my leaf blower. HERES WHERE I F'ED UP! I took my Griots waffle microfiber and started wiping the remaining little dropplets! Damnit!!! Pull it into the sun and now it looks like it has buffing holograms in it EVERYWHERE!!!

What do some you advise that i do? Go back over the entire car again with M205 and a white pad? I have some Menzerna P085RD too. Would that stuff possibly take out the holograms? Any advise is appreciated!
 
Chevyfanaddict said:
What do some you advise that i do? Go back over the entire car again with M205 and a white pad? I have some Menzerna P085RD too. Would that stuff possibly take out the holograms? Any advise is appreciated!
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Do a test spot with the Menz, if that isn't doing it go to the M205. Sorry this happened, order some car wash NOW before you forget!
 
There is no way of knowing what will work and what wont. Start with the softest pad and mildest polish and if that doesnt work just get more agressive till you reach your satisfaction level. it would also be great if you could post some pictures. Maybe some of the newer members can see how quickly one can mess up nice paint. Maybe you can prevent someone else from making the same mistake. Sorry this happened to you. Good luck.
 
I'm afraid you will have to polish again. I would start with m205 and a black finishing pad if you have one. Do a test spot and make sure you are happy with the results before doing the complete car.
 
I dont use Meguiars very often. Is the 205 a polish? Some of the polishes out their have fillers. So you think you buffed out all the swirls only to find out that it only filled it! Dish soap removes wax and fillers. Perhaps thats what happened... I know what it's like to do all that work only to mess up and have to do it again.
 
Ok I already went out and bought some soap. Trying out Griots Garage Brilliant Finish car wash. I usually use Mothers California Gold.

Ill look to see if I have any black finishing pads and try some of the menzerna first I suppose and if that doesn't work ill try some M205 on the finishing pad next. Do any of you suppose that The Menzerna on a White pad could have any mild cutting affect?

If the sun is out tomorrow (Washington state :/ you just never know) ill try to snap some pics of my fubar and post for others to see.

Thanks to all that replied
 
I predict that the holograms were there the entire time and washing with dish soap removed your LSP, which was filling in the defects.

Did you do an IPA wipedown during your Test Spot after each step to confirm that it wasn't the oils in the polish that was hiding the true condition of the paint?
 
AGOatemywallet said:
I predict that the holograms were there the entire time and washing with dish soap removed your LSP, which was filling in the defects.

Did you do an IPA wipedown during your Test Spot after each step to confirm that it wasn't the oils in the polish that was hiding the true condition of the paint?
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Lol I didnt wash with dish soap. I said i would be damned if i ever did! I do know better than that haha. No the car WAS polished correctly and checked with a ipa wipedown and a high powered LED light.
 
Life we live, my mistakes, learn from our mistakes & move forward with more knowledge.
Do not beat yourself up.
Let's find the answer to fix the problem.
Least aggressive method first in test spot, increase as needed to repair.
 
I'd just use the M205 on a white, or black pad, seal, and enjoy.
 
That is a bummer. Next time buy the silver, white or yellow Z06:)

Nothing a little time and polish can't fix. Subconsciously you intentionally marred your paint, just so you could repolish it.
 
It seems your car has a soft paint.
If I were in your position, I would consider coating it.
PBL v2 perhaps? Easy to apply, just like a WOWA sealant. :)
 
AGOatemywallet said:
I predict that the holograms were there the entire time and washing with dish soap removed your LSP, which was filling in the defects.
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This is my first thought as well, but Pinnacle doesn't have fillers if I recall. 105 can leave some marring but 205 should take them out. A waffle weave would leave holograms? Hmmm... not so sure about that either, but you know how you wiped the panels... so if the holograms look like they are cut in the same path of your wiping technique that could be a sign.

Good luck getting them out - shouldn't be a big deal.
 
I think its the oils in the wax. Re wash with soap and inspect.
 
Dish soap will not remove the LSP, but it will make it appear that it is gone because it leaves behind surfactants--it could be these chemicals that appear to be holograms. You might want to try just giving it a wash with car soap before re-polishing.
 
Like has already been stated, this is an easy fix and not to worry. I am curious what type of machine you used with the initial cut and buff (105/205)? Was it a rotary? Buffer trails and holograms are easily corrected. I would try the Menzerna with a white or black pad with moderate initial pass pressure and then lighten up the pressure to finesse to a full gloss and correction. If that doesn't get them out i would reach for my M205 and do the same thing. I also like slow arm speeds not moving the machine too fast.

If the marring is from the water wash and dry off, hopefully the inflicted damage can be finessed out the same way thinking hopefully they are not too deep.

I also like Jeff's suggestion too i.e. a rewash with good car soap and a full sun inspection.
 
ski2 said:
Dish soap will not remove the LSP, but it will make it appear that it is gone because it leaves behind surfactants--it could be these chemicals that appear to be holograms.
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He did not use soap. I think several here are reading it as if he did. All he did was rinse off the dust, blow dried it and then wiped it dry.

Chevyfanaddict said:
No the car WAS polished correctly and checked with a ipa wipedown and a high powered LED light.
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Chevyfanaddict said:
HERES WHERE I F'ED UP! I took my Griots waffle microfiber and started wiping the remaining little dropplets! Damnit!!! Pull it into the sun and now it looks like it has buffing holograms in it EVERYWHERE!!!
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^^ Based on the above statements, I'm going to assume it was originally polished correctly and defect free. Hard to say without final pics from that point but lets assume it was done right.

Are they buffing holograms or do the marks follow your drying pattern? Was the initial job done with a rotary or a DA Machine? If they are from a rotary buffer or just holograms from compounding, you'll see them everywhere in a noticeable buffer like pattern. I really doubt that's the case as again, if you used a white pad and polish before sealing the holograms were likely gone if ever there to begin with.

Did you use a detail spray or dampen your microfiber before you dried off the remaining water drops? THIS is where I believe you messed up. I'm a black-car guy and have been for years. Pure black like your Vette and my S4 will micro-mar if you look at it wrong. I NEVER Dust or wipe dust off nor would I ever just simply rinse it.

IMO a combination of a dry towel, no detail mist and very likely some residual dust is what did this. We've all done it. I did nearly the same thing last summer when I was getting ready to enjoy a Saturday and used detail spray and a clean microfiber towel to wipe off some hand prints on the trunk of my car that was dusty.

I essentially micro-marred the entire trunk deck and didn't realize it until I pulled out into the sun. I was shocked at how bad it got with just a few wipes with what I thought was a really clean car and not a big deal since I had a soft MF Rag and detail spray, but let's just say I should have known better.

I suspect in your case a dry towel (which is a no no) no apparent use of detail spray to lubricate combined with a car that still likely had dust on it culminated into what you're seeing.

Not a big deal. Hit it again with just polish on a white pad on a DA Machine and then seal it up. You'll be fine.

In the future, do a waterless or rinseless wash and insure the MF Towels you use are thick 430-480+GSM ones that hold a ton of solution. Mine actually weigh over 1lb each when soaked and are so soft and slippery that on a dusty car (which I just cleaned up mine) I can do the whole car with only 4 of them. Perfect scratch-free results.
 
Actually... dish soap wouldn't have removed your LSP. (At least according to Mike P. and the most recent thread on the matter.... not to mention PiPUK chimed in as well.) ;)

Run... DON'T walk, and find yourself a gallon of Duragloss 901 (well it's 902 in the gallon jug) for your shampoo. Megs Gold Class just isn't up to the task of keeping a black vehicle completely swirl free. Well... it *might* be... but you'd have to use 6~8 ounces per gallon of water to be as slick, and rinse anywhere NEAR as well as Duragloss. (Might also add Megs Hyperwash, Mr. Pink and Honeydew to the mix whilst we're at it.)

Yes, (to the guy that didn't know) Meguiar's M205 IS a polish. (And a darned good one for many years now.)

ChevyFan...

I'd start with perhaps Ultimate Polish, which is available literally anywhere, and will work longer than 205 (built from 205 in fact). Then IF it doesn't do what you need, then you switch to 205. The thing about UP is you can work it, and finesse it till the cows come home. ;)

Might be blue pad and UP or blue pad and 205.
Could be white pad and UP, or white pad and 205. :dunno:
May even be an orange pad and UP! :D

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