Wet-look wax: Dodo,PB,P21 ?

Souveran has a glow and depth on blacks that just needs to be seen, its highly desirable. Wolfgang is wetter and has some modern polymers and indeed with last longer. Both are great choices and I really suggest both over time. The Sampler of Fuzion is a great offering to test the waters.

Wax will last for a long time when sealed properly. Souveran has a small rubber gasket to keep the elements out of the canister which also helps. Two years is indeed a long time, but where and how it was stored is likely more defining. Some of us have tins and canisters of Megs 16 and Pinnacle Paste Glaz that are older than this and still in great condition.
 
Cobraa, I note from your article that you hope to start up a business. May I suggest that you factor into your decision considerations like cost and ease of use, as well as clientele expectations. Souveran, e.g., may look great on dark-colored cars; but it's an awfully expensive wax to use if you will be detailing daily drivers. You might consider a product like M21 Synthetic Sealant, which can be purchased in gallons, or Duragloss 105. Ordinary folks will be happy with the look either gives. Business is about making money. Every penny counts. And if you really like Natty's, then stick with that. You can't beat the price. I see no need for a detailer just getting started as a professional to stock up on expensive LSPs. It doesn't make good business sense.
 
akimel said:
Cobraa, I note from your article that you hope to start up a business. May I suggest that you factor into your decision considerations like cost and ease of use, as well as clientele expectations. Souveran, e.g., may look great on dark-colored cars; but it's an awfully expensive wax to use if you will be detailing daily drivers. You might consider a product like M21 Synthetic Sealant, which can be purchased in gallons, or Duragloss 105. Ordinary folks will be happy with the look either gives. Business is about making money. Every penny counts. And if you really like Natty's, then stick with that. You can't beat the price. I see no need for a detailer just getting started as a professional to stock up on expensive LSPs. It doesn't make good business sense.
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Thank you for the great advice, you guys are really nice!
I will have to try the fuzion but for now, I can get 7oz of Souveran for less the price of the fuzion sample!:xyxthumbs:

Akimel: I understand and appreciate your advice, but I also own a nice Black pearl Skyline GTR 1990,so the Souveran is pretty much for my persornal use or for some high class customer.

For light colored car, I have p21 regular and a good liquid wax. What I dislike with Natty is the fact that it doesn't seem too last very long( but for my personal use, the natty red really make my flake pop!). So I don't want my customer to be unhappy 2 weeks after the detail because the shine has gone..
 
Hey guys,

I'm down to 3 waxes:

Souveran( which I can get for 45$ local used deal) or Fuzion ( VIP Special= 65$) or Dodo Juice Blue Velvet ( 65$) ??

Durability-wise, I don't really cares, I put QD+ every weeks and I drive around 150kms per weeks with my summer car. It will just suck for client's car.
 
Just a quick update.. Didn't want to start a new thread. I think I bought too many waxes and I can't even say which one is better ...

PB Natty's Red and Blue
DP Max wax
P21 reg
Dodo blue velvet
Pinnacle Souveran
Local-branded Liquid wax
Collonite Doublewax 476
Klasses High Gloss Sealant

The problem is that I can't see the difference between

-Natty Red Vs. DP MaxWax on my gf's Blue pearl Mazda 3
- Natty Red Vs. Souveran on my Black pearl Skyline ( souveran mute the flakes)
- Natty Blue Vs. Blue Velvet on my Skyline..dodo is more slick.
- P21% is great on light cars. Shine more than Natty's Red

But Am I doing something wrong? Am I blind? or I just bought some good quality waxes and yes they are all VERY SIMILAR( this is why I can't seem to find any differences).
 
Dodo is a very good product I use purple haze and top it with z8 looks tops on dark colours.
 
akimel said:
Cobraa, I note from your article that you hope to start up a business. May I suggest that you factor into your decision considerations like cost and ease of use, as well as clientele expectations. Souveran, e.g., may look great on dark-colored cars; but it's an awfully expensive wax to use if you will be detailing daily drivers. You might consider a product like M21 Synthetic Sealant, which can be purchased in gallons, or Duragloss 105. Ordinary folks will be happy with the look either gives. Business is about making money. Every penny counts. And if you really like Natty's, then stick with that. You can't beat the price. I see no need for a detailer just getting started as a professional to stock up on expensive LSPs. It doesn't make good business sense.
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I very much agree with this. There is no reason to use expensive waxes for daily driven cars unless the owner specifically asks for a high end carnauba wax. Almost all of your customers will not even be able to tell the difference between Meguiar's Gold Class wax and Pinnacle Souveran, so why waste the money?

akimel suggested to pick up some Meguiar's #21 Synthetic Sealant, and I agree with that. I snagged up a 64 oz bottle last summer and it is still over half full, even though I gave my dad a large sample for his own use :) It is a very wet looking sealant that I turn to time and time again when I want a great look and very good durability.
Here is an example of #21
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I think you also now have way too much wax, not that it's a bad thing LOL

PB Natty's Red and Blue
DP Max wax
P21 reg
Dodo blue velvet
Pinnacle Souveran
Local-branded Liquid wax
Collonite Doublewax 476
Klasses High Gloss Sealant

The differences between many of the waxes you have, will, in my opinion, be small and hard to tell the difference. Waxes, and peoples opinions of them are about the same as car / truck brands. They are all good, but some people are die hard Chevy fans, others wouldn't consider owning one at any price.

Find a wax that you personally like and stick with it. If you are into detailing, then your eye is likely much better at picking out which wax or sealant looks good then the average guy walking down the street, so go with whatever you like. If you can't see a difference between a $100 wax and a $20 wax, do you really see any reason to buy the $100 wax just because someone tells you that there is a difference?



NOW, all that aside, I have Souveran, Fuzion, Nattys Blue, Meg's Gold Class, and Meg's #21 2.0 I absolutely LOVE Souveran and Fuzion, much of that love comes with ease of use as well. I find that the #21 is a little touchy, and the longer it sits on the paint, the easier it is to remove and also the better the results are, but once I learned the little tricks to it, I love it! The Meg's Gold Class I have is about three years old now and was purchased before I knew anything about true detailing. I really don't use it anymore, but if someone wanted a cheap-o job with no correction and a quick wax, that is what I would use. There is no point on using Fuzion or Souveran on a car with no correction being done.
 
crash93ssei said:
NOW, all that aside, I have Souveran, Fuzion, Nattys Blue, Meg's Gold Class, and Meg's #21 2.0 I absolutely LOVE Souveran and Fuzion, much of that love comes with ease of use as well. I find that the #21 is a little touchy, and the longer it sits on the paint, the easier it is to remove and also the better the results are, but once I learned the little tricks to it, I love it! The Meg's Gold Class I have is about three years old now and was purchased before I knew anything about true detailing. I really don't use it anymore, but if someone wanted a cheap-o job with no correction and a quick wax, that is what I would use. There is no point on using Fuzion or Souveran on a car with no correction being done.
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Natty Blue/Red, Souveran and DODO were bought for my personal car. I was trying to find the best wax for my car. All I can say is that Natty Red WORK. It really pop the flakes.

But even if I do 50/50 wax on my hood,trunk,door.( left side is souveran the other is Natty Blue). I'm having a HARD TIMES trying to found the difference.They all look wet. So, I'm wondering if I'm blind or really the hype around high-end waxes are not worth 5x the cost of a regular 25$ jar.

I do agree Souveran is easier to apply than Natty Blue or even DODO. But I won't pay 4 times the price of natty Blue only because it's WOWO.

What is your opinion on the Fuzion Vs. Souveran?
 
They both seem to have about the same wet look, but the Fuzion lasts much longer. I do think that the Souveran looks a little deeper then the Fuzion on flat colors like red and black, but the Fuzion does a little better with lighter colors and colors with flake in them.

To be 100% honest with you, I think I really would pay $70 more for a wax that is WOWO just because it is that much easier to use. For how often I use it, the $70 is not going to make much of a difference to me compared to the extra time and effort to use a different wax. I try to wax my cars about once a month


Don't feel bad for buying all that wax for your personal cars, that is the main reason I also bought the Fuzion and Souveran ;). I have only used those two waxes on a few details, most everything else gets the Meg's #21.
 
For customer car, I use Klasses Sealant ( if he ask for a durability LSP)/ P21S if it's a light-colored car / Dp Max Wax if it's metallic or dark.

I don't like to use Natty's on customer's cars because I know it don't last very long.
 
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If I can't see any major difference between my waxes could it be because I have 2 coat of Klasses Sealant on my Skyline which affect the look of any wax I top on ??
 
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