Wetsanding Class at Autogeek - 1971 GTO - The Black Orange

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Wetsanding Class at Autogeek - 1971 GTO - The Black Orange


Here's our demo car for our Sunday Advanced Detailing Class 102

Detailing 102 - Wetsanding, Cutting and Buffing for a Show Car Finish


Instead of hood we have an actual car. It was painted Wednesday night and has a lot of orange peel which should really give our students a great experience learning how to hand sand and machine dampsand.


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Our Saturday Detailing 101 Class is going to learn how to remove swirls, water spots and scratches by buffing out a classic 1962 Cadillac!

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And then on Sunday, the 102 class is going to learn how to hand sand and dampsand by machine and the use a rotary buffer to restore a high gloss finish to the GTO above.


Max is actually the man behind everything that happens here at Autogeek so a huge thank you to Max.


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Please don't ever give out the name of the Shop that painted that Pontiac. It would be bad for business.
Unless Stevie Wonder owned and operated it.:wow:



Dave
 
Wow Mike, that has so much orange peel it looks like flat black! Can't wait to see what you and the students can do with it!
 
Well, that paint can certainly only get better. Eek.
 
DLaw said:
Please don't ever give out the name of the Shop that painted that Pontiac. It would be bad for business.
Unless Stevie Wonder owned and operated it.:wow:



Dave
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Keep in mind the body shop in question would typically sand and finish the vehicle before returning it to the customer, I'm sure this was deliberately skipped to give Mike and the class the opportunity to perform this step.
 
wow sounds like you guys are going to have a great class this weekend. Definitely beats working on the practice hoods!
 
LOL the black orange, I wish I lived near AG or had the money/time to go down their and take a class or two.
 
Devo242 said:
Keep in mind the body shop in question would typically sand and finish the vehicle before returning it to the customer, I'm sure this was deliberately skipped to give Mike and the class the opportunity to perform this step.
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i most certainly dont agree with what you say. No matter what the car is going to be used for, or what, its just plain unacceptable to let a car like that out the door. The orange peel in this picture is clearly just unacceptable. Ive met guys that with no experience tackle paint jobs on their own and trust me, the orange peel is no where near like that. From the look of the picture, the clear went on really dry. Also poor spraying technique. Another thing that may have led to such orange peel is the use of a fast hardener for the clear. Fast hardener is used alot in body shops to get out quick a hood, bumper, door, etc. But not an entire car. If you use fast hardener to do an entire car, by the time you shoot clear on the hood, and then go around the car. As soon as you get to the quarter panel the hood is already past the tack stage and drying. So when they reapply clear over the hood these are the results you get. Dry and with a BUNCH of orange peel. When cars are getting completely painted slow to medium hardeners are used. So i doubt that they left and did this on purpose, just unacceptable.
 
93fox said:
i most certainly dont agree with what you say. No matter what the car is going to be used for, or what, its just plain unacceptable to let a car like that out the door. The orange peel in this picture is clearly just unacceptable. Ive met guys that with no experience tackle paint jobs on their own and trust me, the orange peel is no where near like that. From the look of the picture, the clear went on really dry. Also poor spraying technique. Another thing that may have led to such orange peel is the use of a fast hardener for the clear. Fast hardener is used alot in body shops to get out quick a hood, bumper, door, etc. But not an entire car. If you use fast hardener to do an entire car, by the time you shoot clear on the hood, and then go around the car. As soon as you get to the quarter panel the hood is already past the tack stage and drying. So when they reapply clear over the hood these are the results you get. Dry and with a BUNCH of orange peel. When cars are getting completely painted slow to medium hardeners are used. So i doubt that they left and did this on purpose, just unacceptable.
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Certainly plausible, perhaps Mike can clarify how the class obtained the vehicle. Perhaps the paint is SS rather than base/clear?

In any case, I'm looking forward to seeing the turnaround on this one.
 
I don't know the entire story behind the car and the paint job except that it was painted in the painter's garage and he admitted it came out with a ton of orange peel. He said there's 4 heavy coats of PPG clear on it and that's about all I know.

He also said if any mistakes are made it's no big deal as he's setting up new shop with a paint booth and will re-shoot it.

I actually think having a lot of orange peel will enable the students to understand the problem, the process and the end-results from what they learn in the class.

So for our purposes, it's a perfect car for a classroom situation.


It's more real-world than buffing on hoods or a rental car too... whatever the results, I'm confident it's going to be a great experience for everyone that attends.

I also appreciate that we have the facilities, products, equipment and support to hold these classes and share all of this via the AutogeekOnline.net discussion forum. Pretty cool actually.

I can't actually think of any other classes where you get to wetsand a black 1971 GTO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So I'm thankful for it...


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93fox said:
The orange peel in this picture is clearly just unacceptable.
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Appreciate all your insight and everything you wrote sounds right but I'm not looking at this from the same point of view. I was offered this car for our class and it was my decision to accept it because I thought it would provide the best experience for our students wanting to learn how to sand and buff. It's as simple as that.

I'm thankful for the car and the opportunity.

I also know that if it can be corrected... then it will be corrected. If it can't be fixed then everyone will still have the opportunity to learn the techniques for wetsanding and then using a rotary buffer.

To me it's a win/win deal.



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Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Appreciate all your insight and everything you wrote sounds right but I'm not looking at this from the same point of view. I was offered this car for our class and it was my decision to accept it because I thought it would provide the best experience for our students wanting to learn how to sand and buff. It's as simple as that.

I'm thankful for the car and the opportunity.

I also know that if it can be corrected... then it will be corrected. If it can't be fixed then everyone will still have the opportunity to learn the techniques for wetsanding and then using a rotary buffer.

To me it's a win/win deal.



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I clearly understand that this will be a fun project. I having no info on this, and reading the post, i assumed a body shop this this. So me saying its unacceptable, i refer to me thinking a body shop did this. Hell, if this was a DIY project, all my props goes out to whomever did it. it sure is a Win/Win deal. Trust me, that paint job wont need a respray. As you mentioned that is has 4 heavy coats of clear, it should be no problem at all to correct it. Im sure it will look like glass onced sanded and polished. :xyxthumbs:
 
93fox said:
Hell, if this was a DIY project, all my props goes out to whomever did it. it sure is a Win/Win deal.
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He has some painting experience, I don't think anything formal, just DIY stuff, painting a car this size in a garage in Florida temperatures and humidity couldn't be any fun... I like anyone that tries...


93fox said:
Trust me, that paint job wont need a respray. As you mentioned that is has 4 heavy coats of clear, it should be no problem at all to correct it. Im sure it will look like glass once sanded and polished. :xyxthumbs:
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As long as the clear isn't too hard we should be okay. It's easy to sand paint, that's putting scratches into the paint... the tricky part is getting them out...

We're going to finish out with Meguiar's Unigrit #3000 so if it can be fixed... we'll know sometime Sunday afternoon.

I don't think nor expect the class to do the entire car. In fact I'm going to focus them on the easy panels. Whatever doesn't get done I'll finish on my off-time because I enjoy this type of work.


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its so hard to find a bodyman nowadays. one thats good with black. at least here in ct it is. whether the cadillac and the pontiac are crappy on the outside, they're still beautiful cars on the inside. i wish my grand prix can look good but have no trust in anyone to help me out with bodywork.
 
I've never painted a car in my life but am willing to bet I could pull off a better job than that.
I too thought it was flat black when I first saw the pic.

Good thing it has 4 coats of clear to work with!
 
Man that sucks! I mean that I can't be there. Stupid transmission! And no one to watch the dog.:( I agree with Mike that the GTO is great for the class. Wish I could be there to learn and help remove that orange peel. Looks worse than a spot on my truck that I Duplicolor rattle-caned.:D Once the tranny is in and pushing the truck down the road I will be fixing my own paint job.lol
Maybe next time Mike. Maybe the GTO or something like it will come back around for the classes I get to attend. I will be emailing you Mike to find out the next scheduled classes. Or PM me is you already have an idea. Thanks either way.
Have fun this weekend Mike and everyone that gets to be in sunny Stuart, Florida @ Auto Geek! I may be getting a metallic green Mustang ready for a show (someone from the Mustang club I spoke with). The owner may be helping me finish the trans job as in return for a deal on his paint correction.:)
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Whatever doesn't get done I'll finish on my off-time because I enjoy this type of work.


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Same here Mike. To me, personally, there is nothing else more fun than fully sanding a car and buffing it. Thats my major passion and its what i enjoy the most out of all. By the way mike, if that car was painted this week and was not baked. That clear should be still soft and will be a breeze to buff out. Clears dont tend to fully harden after a few weeks. Im sure it will be a great project for you and your class. GOOD LUCK! :xyxthumbs:
 
93fox said:
By the way mike, if that car was painted this week and was not baked. That clear should be still soft and will be a breeze to buff out. Clears dont tend to fully harden after a few weeks.

Im sure it will be a great project for you and your class. GOOD LUCK! :xyxthumbs:
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I tested pushing my fingernail into the paint around the door jamb area and was able to do so without much force.

It was painted Wednesday night, so by Sunday it will only be around 4 days fresh...

It's a PPG clear, not sure the part number but I'll find out.


:)
 
It definitely will be an excellent learning experience for everyone involved, from the painter to the last person to touch the final finish.
 
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