WGDGPS and bonding questions

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I'm rather new to posting but have been learning quite a bit. I have WGDGPS 3.0 and also a diluted KHGSG mix that I use as a Qd. I also use Colli845 from time to time.

I really haven't gotten into chemical paint cleaners aside from my sample of WGPPE.

After using my ksg mixture Qd a bunch over the past few weeks, I applied my first coat of wgdgps to half of my hood around 10am. Put it on real thin, about 4 dime sized drops, by hand, on a yellow foam pad, waited 25 mins or so, then buffed off.

I am at work so my car is facing the sun, hoping it would "speed up" the cure time on the wg. I went outside around 1:30pm and noticed that if I lightly wipe that side of the hood, it smudges, almost like its a later of oily residue.

I know it's supposed to be oily but I thought it would at least be slick and bonded enough to where it wouldn't smudge.

My questions are:
Is it completely necessary to have the paint free of ALL chemicals, my ksg qd layers included?
Should I use WGPPE every time I want to apply a new sealant?
And this smudging, what would be the cause of this?
 
I've never and would never suggest applying Wolfgang to anything but bare paint. That's how you'll get the best from it, application to a squeaky cleans surface free of anything. So the QD self mix you're using probably is screwing it up. Plus have you clayed or cleaned the paint? These things need to be done at minimum to ensure you'll get the most from your product. You cant just throw it on a hope for the best.
 
Yeah I cleaned the paint, clay and all. I had stripped the paint via WGPPE before my initial layer of ksg and had applied it twice more before I put the wgdgps. Just wondering if the smudgyness (sp?) was because of my lack of prep or something else.

But the verdict is to ALWAYS have clean, bare paint, prior to application of wgdgps?
 
I recently applied it to a white van.

Wash
Iron x
Wash
Clay
Rinse
Polish
Rinse
WGDGPS

Slick :cool:

It is hard to to see smudges on white paint though
 
Don't put down your KSG before applying WGDGPS. It bonds well to bare clean paint and I always leave it on 45 minutes before buffing off.

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That oily feel you feel is normal. I have a thread I started back when I first used WGDGPS for the very first time and had the same question you have about the feel. It looks very bad when there is a layer of dust on your car and something accidentally lightly swipes that layer of dust, the dust piles up and looks like a smudge.

Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant opinions/questions

That oily feel will go away after your first wash but still just as slick.
 
cleanmycorolla said:
I've never and would never suggest applying Wolfgang to anything but bare paint.
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Aside from the fact that I mentioned in the other similar thread today that I've used KAIO + WG DGPS 3.0 together with no issues (as far as I can tell), the Wolfgang brand themselves market two other products designed to be applied before the paint sealant:
Finishing Glaze 3.0 (if you needed correction)
Paintwork Polish Enhancer (if you didn't)

I haven't read anything in the Wolfgang documentation that suggests either of those products need to be completely exterminated from the paint before you apply their sealant.
 
Inzane said:
Aside from the fact that I mentioned in the other similar thread today that I've used KAIO + WG DGPS 3.0 together with no issues (as far as I can tell), the Wolfgang brand themselves market two other products designed to be applied before the paint sealant:
Finishing Glaze 3.0 (if you needed correction)
Paintwork Polish Enhancer (if you didn't)

I haven't read anything in the Wolfgang documentation that suggests either of those products need to be completely exterminated from the paint before you apply their sealant.
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You seem confused. Those are polishes. You wipe them off after using them. You don't leave them on the paint you wipe down or wipe them off revealing bare paint. You then apply the sealant. Also what documentation? It's pretty standard here, I'd say 100% of folks wipe and remove all products from paint before applying any protection to the surface.
 
cleanmycorolla said:
You seem confused. Those are polishes. You wipe them off after using them. You don't leave them on the paint you wipe down or wipe them off revealing bare paint. You then apply the sealant. Also what documentation? It's pretty standard here, I'd say 100% of folks wipe and remove all products from paint before applying any protection to the surface.
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No I am most certainly not confused. Of course you wipe the product off, whether you're talking polishes and/or paint cleaners. You wipe off Klasse AIO just like any other so what exactly is your point? What's the difference?

WG even advertises PPE as having fillers so using that before DGPS isn't technically "bare paint" either.
 
You have no location listed with your profile Are you in Sannibel Island, Florida, or Barrow, Alaska?

A lot of products "don't like seeing sunlight", and WGDGPS 3.0 is most likely one of them. Next time, try using the product in the shade. Let it set up at least a 1/2 hour.

First time I used this, I let it sit 40-45 minutes, applied by hand (under a carport), applied to the entire vehicle, and I have to say, it was one of the easiest products I've ever used.

It wiped off clean, right now. With one single pass of the towel, what was exposed was glossy slick paint, absolutely no residues, no films, no haze, nothing left behind.

Where you see a vid of Mike Phillips "breaking" a wax, or sealant with his MF towel, that's exactly what I experienced. So effortless.
 
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Here's a pic of my junker Kia, which I had just applied new pinstripe to last fall.

That morning out came the pinstripe wheel and cordless drill, removing all old pinstripe which was quite raggedy.

Marring was then taken care of with Meguiars M205 and a 4" Orange LC Pad and the PC7424.

Then a coat of WGDGPS 3.0 to finish.
Humidity that day was in the single digits, as it commonly is here.

Many sealants I think don't work too well under humid conditions.

I've found that out with Zaino Z2 on more than one occasion during the height of Monsoon Season here.
 
Inzane said:
No I am most certainly not confused. Of course you wipe the product off, whether you're talking polishes and/or paint cleaners. You wipe off Klasse AIO just like any other so what exactly is your point? What's the difference?

WG even advertises PPE as having fillers so using that before DGPS isn't technically "bare paint" either.
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The difference is they're cleaning the paint. Fillers or not your paint has a surface in which you can apply your LSP too. They allow for bonding. Your Klasse is leaving protection behind, thus the Wolfgang isn't touching paint. It's being applied to an surface which has protection on it that is not bare.

Ain't nobody got time to argue. Do what you do. It works for you!

Good luck:dblthumb2:
 
cleanmycorolla said:
The difference is they're cleaning the paint. Fillers or not your paint has a surface in which you can apply your LSP too. They allow for bonding. Your Klasse is leaving protection behind, thus the Wolfgang isn't touching paint. It's being applied to an surface which has protection on it that is not bare.

Ain't nobody got time to argue. Do what you do. It works for you!

Good luck:dblthumb2:
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I don't mean to argue, but I would like to continue the discussion. WG's PPE says right on the bottle it contains oils and fillers.
KAIO leaves.... some kind of acrylic protection, how much I doubt anyone can really say for sure.
Who's to say the "acryllic protection" is any less conducive to the WG sealant "working" than oils & fillers? I still say that means "something" is left on the paint.

I will admit that I'm relatively new here at AGO, but have been a member of autopia for a number of years, and its been my understanding all along that it's been quite a common practice to use KAIO as a base for many sealants, and I don't know why DGPS 3.0 would be any different. (I think I recall even hearing some using KAIO before Zaino Z2/Z5 successfully. Shrug... I'm not a zaino user).

All I can share with you is my personal observation. I did the KAIO + DGPS 3.0 combo. Then applied a 2nd coat of DGPS a week later. This was approximately 3 months ago.
My observations:
- slickness was off the shelf, amazing.
- the slickness remained awesome for at least the first 2-3 weeks, but may have dropped off a bit after that (the odd rain here or there and probably a couple car washes in that time frame).
- beading and general water repellant-ness (making up a word here) great and remained great right up until I applied another coat last week (call that the 3rd coat if you wish).
- the look was incredible. I noticed another step up in the look after the 2nd coat. But that great look lasted this whole time up until last week when I applied that 3rd coat.

The only reason I applied a fresh coat last week, was not because I felt the WG was done. But because we're heading into winter here in Northern Alberta and I felt it was more important to get renewed protection in place rather than let things continue to taper off until eventual need of doing something.

So obviously I can't tell you ultimately how long it would've continued. But I certainly wasn't disappointed with the performance I perceived in those three months. Is there any evidence there in what I've shared to suggest the WG was NOT "working" properly?
 
Well I applied dgps in the shade, hazed in the shade, and buffed in the shade, but had to go to work where I parked in the sun.

And I posted that other thread about kaio underneath dgps and the responses were all over the place.

I'm going to conclude, thanks to all your responses, that I'll give kaio->dgps a shot because of kaio's non abrasive cleaning ability and the fact that more people have recommended trying that than recommended against it.
 
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