What actually happens when you top a ceramic coating with a wax or sealant?

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Does anybody know a source of information about this? Assuming a particular coating can be topped, like PBL for example. Can this cause bonding issues leaving you with a hazy or oily mess?

Will a wax just wash off of It? I'd like to learn more but I can't find any legitamite sources or articles.
 
It will not leave a greasy oily mess unless you slather the car with wax. Most of the wax should come off after the next wash. Remember coating is applied to deter contaminants from the vehicle and make the washing process easier. To the coatng, the wax is a "foreign contaminant" that will not stick on to the coating. Waste of time and effort to apply wax on a coated car.
 
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Probably nothing happens if you're using a NON cleaning wax or sealant. In this case, the wax or sealant just coats over and sits on the surface so to speak.

Then your paint takes on the benefits, features and characteristics of the wax or sealant until it wears off and then you get the benefits, features and characteristics of the coating.


In my opinion, applying a wax or sealant over a coating defeats the purpose of using the coating.


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The guys applying a wax or sealant over a coating know they are wasting money and time and in some cases even compromising the coating's advantages. Plus it's worse than that....to maintain a show car shine, paint should be polished at least once a year and preferably twice even if it's a garage queen. To keep that show car shine, polishing removes any LSP including coatings and requires a complete reapplication of the LSP or in the case of the "wax over coating" addicts the reapplication of two LSPs. It's quite a marketing achievement I must admit.
 
Technically speaking, a coating such as CQuartz, can have its own brand spray sealant (Reload) applied as a top coat without adverse affects. :)

Not sure if other coatings have an equivalent.
 
evo77 said:
Technically speaking, a coating such as CQuartz, can have its own brand spray sealant (Reload) applied as a top coat without adverse affects. :)

Not sure if other coatings have an equivalent.
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Ceramic Pro has "Sport", Gyeon has "Cure"
 
instead of wax or sealant i would apply booster products that were designed to work with coatings..Hydro blue is easy to use..
 
but then why does this site feature products like blackfire fire over ice coatings where a coating is applied followed by a wax is it isnt effective and seemingly counter productive? Or is this for more of a permanently bonding coating like cquartz 9h.
 
I'll tell you this right now, doing a RW or WW that has wax in it will change the sharp "HD look" of your paint, seen easily on my metallic black paint for sure, so I can only imagine what an actual hand applied wax or even spray wax would do!

JUST DONT DO IT!

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pzp107 said:
but then why does this site feature products like blackfire fire over ice coatings where a coating is applied followed by a wax is it isnt effective and seemingly counter productive? Or is this for more of a permanently bonding coating like cquartz 9h.
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Blackfire is a sealant and not a coating, thus wax over sealant is fine.
 
I kinda disagree there are benefits to wax a car with a coating.Gives your paint a deeper wetlook.I coated my new camaro and waxed it 5 times after.its way more slicker and super smooth and enhances the vibrant paint to a whole different level.Corrected with jescar twins coated with gloss coat and 5 coats of triple x by chemical guys.Once or twice with rupes spray sealant.Depending on the color you can clearly see labor of love.My car is kinetic blue would I use that madness on white or silver absolutely no.
 
GSKR said:
I kinda disagree there are benefits to wax a car with a coating.Gives your paint a deeper wetlook.I coated my new camaro and waxed it 5 times after.its way more slicker and super smooth and enhances the vibrant paint to a whole different level.Corrected with jescar twins coated with gloss coat and 5 coats of triple x by chemical guys.Once or twice with rupes spray sealant.Depending on the color you can clearly see labor of love.My car is kinetic blue would I use that madness on white or silver absolutely no.
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My question is, why bother to even coat your car. If you like the looks that a wax gives you, why bother with a base coating. Five coats of wax is a lot of protection. Now on the other hand if you are the type that may get busy and not have the time then a coating under your wax is just good insurance that your paint is protected.
 
I'm afraid that only effective way to deal with the water spots nearly all coatings suffer from is to apply a wax or sealant on top. Even the coating makers have realized that and make their version of spray sealant.

I've gone back and forth over the past few years and I am anti-coating at the moment.
You look like ass after up charging for a coating with promises of longevity of greater than 12 months then have them complain about the water spots within a month.
 
This is my thought, I really like using synergy wax which is supposed to be a hybrid wax/coating. I love the glassy look it gives and I can top it with any way I want and it looks even better.

So why not install the black label coating, which is supposed to have the same glass particles and top it with my own carnuba? I would essentially be accomplishing the same thing but better. I could have more of that glassy look with better carnuba as well?
 
GSKR said:
I kinda disagree there are benefits to wax a car with a coating.Gives your paint a deeper wetlook.I coated my new camaro and waxed it 5 times after.its way more slicker and super smooth and enhances the vibrant paint to a whole different level.Corrected with jescar twins coated with gloss coat and 5 coats of triple x by chemical guys.Once or twice with rupes spray sealant.Depending on the color you can clearly see labor of love.My car is kinetic blue would I use that madness on white or silver absolutely no.
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this is my feeling, I have only worked with the synergy but it definitely has a glassy look to it like a coating and after a month or so I top it with a wax and it looks even better
 
The reason why is the "look"... the coating gives you a glassy reflective look. When you top that with wax the reflectivity doesn't go away it gets enhanced


If you only see it from the standpoint of protection then you don't understand why we want to do it. It's the endless quest for more shine, more gloss, more reflection.
 
I top mine with Reload every 10 washes or so. I think Reload, and silica based products like it, offer a better, more crisp shine then an wax I've ever used. Not to mention, it's far easier.

But I would like to avoid the whole crisp vs. soft. vs. warm. vs buttery vs. icy vs. wet vs. moist shine debate. Frankly I think it's all the same thing people just call it what they think sounds best.
 
Rsurfer said:
My question is, why bother to even coat your car. If you like the looks that a wax gives you, why bother with a base coating. Five coats of wax is a lot of protection. Now on the other hand if you are the type that may get busy and not have the time then a coating under your wax is just good insurance that your paint is protected.
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I just want the best it may not sound logical.I called boring nights with a lot on my mind.
 
If it's OK...I'm going to go
with: What is something that
actually doesn't happen.


•Automotive paint "sealers", such as
Waxes and Sealants, contain what I'll
call "regularly sized particles"---particles
that just can't come nearly close enough
together in order to "molecularly" seal-off
any underlying surfaces (paint, auto-glass,
metals, Coatings, etc.)

There are too many "gaps".

-And...It's those gaps that gives dirt, and
other contaminates, such an enormous
amount of opportune attachment places.



Bob
 
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