What are the longest lasting coatings available...

[wildwilly1]

I am not following you on the wax comment. if I can put somethong on my car after it is polished to remove all the defects whether 1 coat or 10 coats and it will stop the scratching like in the video why would that not be a good thing especially on a black vehicle please explain

 

[SlightlyBent]

I'm in the process of giving my ride its second "full" detail. The first was with toy equipment. As I write this, I'm waiting for the UPS guy to deliver my box of goodies from AG that will have decent equipment for correcting the paint in a way the cheap polisher couldn't.

The logic about the wax is that this is what I bought (in that aforementioned box...). I did not get a coating like any of those mentioned (at least, I don't think I did). The thought was that if the work done to the car this weekend does not live up to standards (which will be my fault...) then I wouldn't want to seal it in with a long lasting coating. A wax covering will be removable at the next detail for me to try again... I'd love for a miracle product to prevent/stop any and all of these scratches, but I'm highly skeptical of long term protection --- though if I do get better beading with one product or another, that at least helps with one of the issues.

For whatever reason, the top of the rear bumper of the E-class cars seems to be perfectly level to the ground, meaning that this specific location has collected quite a bit of the 'cedar' pollen and other dirt that the rain brought. I'll take some photos of my car in the 'before' state to show this. If a sealant works to help make the bumper (and other surfaces) truly hydrophobic, then these things would not stick around.

Reading the responses in this and other related threads, even if a car is sealed with CQuartz or OC or whatever, it looks like careful maintenance and upkeep is still required.

 

[Andr3wilson]

By scratch resistant, it can still scratch and swirl, only with the coating you have a barrier to prevent this. I am not concerned about myself swirling the paint, I am concerned about the person wearing a backpack that squeezes up and rubs any of my vehicles. Coating will help prevent a bad scratch.

Here is 2 coats of cosmic

 

[wildwilly1]

I agree I am not worried about myself scratching but someone else. whatever coating I put on, the paint will be defect free as possible. I will use menzerna 400 with a megs microfiber pad followed by a good polish and a polishing pad. this is what I did this fall paint looked fabulous. I then put on two coats of collinite 476 I have gotten some small marks marring whatever you want to call it since the correction. that is why I am looking into coatings. if the polish angel works the way the video shows why would you not use this coating as opposed to the others. I understand it will not be bulletproof but why would you not want to use the best product available which according to the video if it is legit is clearly going to be the best

 

[tdekany]

Not trying to stir the poop pot, but can you show me these threads? I can't recall anyone claim Opti-Coat OR CQuartz Finest last that long

Flash, I have only read the first page. David Fermani, Scottwax has had OC on for over 4 years and still bead like day 1. If you need longer proof, Anthony Orosco can provide for you longer examples.

Now, anyone who thinks that Cquartz outlasts OC (OR any other LSP), needs some coating 101 lessons in a hurry. :dblthumb2:

OC is a ceramic clear coat. That is it. 22ple, Cquartz, EXO etc... while they are also called coatings like OC, they are not clear coats. They are sealants. But, very good ones. Only OC claims permanent protection. CQuartz claims 24 months.

On another note, about the other claim, that OC doesn't look as good as other coatings, is simply not true. If in doubt, any doubters are welcome to come along with me on any of my details. OC will provide a very deep wet looking finish. A thick look, which in fact makes sense, because you are adding actual clear to the finish.

If OC is applied/prepped properly, it will not come off the paint. UNLESS you have it compounded off.

 

[TrKent]

One thing that cannot be exemplified online is the ease-of-use Cosmic has. No other coating can compare to how easy it is to use. If you have ever used Esoteric wax & found it ridiculously easy to use, well, Cosmic is even easier. While POLISHANGEL does have an accreditation program, I doubt there will every be a professional-only coating because with the ease-of-use there is no need to limit the coating to professionals only.

While slightly off the main topic. polishangel carnaubaflockencreme (carnauba flake creme) waxes have an advertised durability of 12-15 months. While this would sound crazy for most any other wax, Famous, Centurion & Snowwhite contain a mix of very pure carnauba flakes, silica & titanium. Along with Brazilian gold in the case of Famous. In my opinion these waxes are still very relevant in the age of coatings.

 

[wildwilly1]

the video is what has me leaning towards cosmic what are your guys thoughts on the video looks pretty impressive for the cosmic ?

 

[TrKent]

While it isn't extremely important, something to note about the video is that all of those coatings were multiple layers cured with an IR lamp. Cosmic is so easy, I would rather apply 5 coats of it than any liquid SiO coating.

 

[Flash Gordon]

Flash, I have only read the first page. David Fermani, Scottwax has had OC on for over 4 years and still bead like day 1. If you need longer proof, Anthony Orosco can provide for you longer examples.

Now, anyone who thinks that Cquartz outlasts OC (OR any other LSP), needs some coating 101 lessons in a hurry. :dblthumb2:

OC is a ceramic clear coat. That is it. 22ple, Cquartz, EXO etc... while they are also called coatings like OC, they are not clear coats. They are sealants. But, very good ones. Only OC claims permanent protection. CQuartz claims 24 months.

On another note, about the other claim, that OC doesn't look as good as other coatings, is simply not true. If in doubt, any doubters are welcome to come along with me on any of my details. OC will provide a very deep wet looking finish. A thick look, which in fact makes sense, because you are adding actual clear to the finish.

If OC is applied/prepped properly, it will not come off the paint. UNLESS you have it compounded off.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. No big deal

 

[BlackRam]

Anyone can buy polish angel right?
Not being a professional just an autogeekian in training, if i mess up phtting on a polish angel or modesta, am i screwed?

Also anyone have pics of oc looking wet? I dont doubt the durability, but want to see it look like 22ple or cquartz or polish angel

 

[TrKent]

Anyone can buy polish angel right?
Not being a professional just an autogeekian in training, if i mess up phtting on a polish angel or modesta, am i screwed?

Also anyone have pics of oc looking wet? I dont doubt the durability, but want to see it look like 22ple or cquartz or polish angel

Modesta, from what I have heard, is for well trained professionals only.

All polishangel products are childs play to work with, a kid could apply them with good results every time. In fact, I have not come across another line that is as easy or so consistent in its ease of use. I have sometimes described them as hilariously easy to use

 

[Andr3wilson]

Modesta, from what I have heard, is for well trained professionals only.

All polishangel products are childs play to work with, a kid could apply them with good results every time. In fact, I have not come across another line that is as easy or so consistent in its ease of use. I have sometimes described them as hilariously easy to use

Well put. In other words you take either Travis or myself and have us apply a coating (we have a lot of experience and training) and you apply the coating, our results will be almost identical.

 

[kochdalton87]

Anyone can buy polish angel right?
Not being a professional just an autogeekian in training, if i mess up phtting on a polish angel or modesta, am i screwed?

Also anyone have pics of oc looking wet? I dont doubt the durability, but want to see it look like 22ple or cquartz or polish angel

In regards to wet looking paint topped with OC check out either VP Mark's or Detailing by Evan (can't remember which one, sorry). They have done lots of OC show and shines and to me they look wet, maybe your opinion will differ which is fine. Just wanted to help out where needed....

 

[zmcgovern45]

Anyone can buy polish angel right?
Not being a professional just an autogeekian in training, if i mess up phtting on a polish angel or modesta, am i screwed?

Also anyone have pics of oc looking wet? I dont doubt the durability, but want to see it look like 22ple or cquartz or polish angel

OC looks pretty good... but to me it is the lack of slickness that I do not care for. Still a fine product though.

 

[BlackRam]

That pic looks sharp, but yes gotta love the slickness

Ive got to ask, are you guys pushing polish angel for any reason other then u love it?
I like to here any old noob can apply it.

In ur experience, whats the best way to maintain it? Polish angel that is. There seems to be somewhat of a wealth of info on OC but.not PA

 

[BlackRam]

I went to their website, pa has their own line of maintenace products.

 

[TrKent]

That pic looks sharp, but yes gotta love the slickness

Ive got to ask, are you guys pushing polish angel for any reason other then u love it?
I like to here any old noob can apply it.

In ur experience, whats the best way to maintain it? Polish angel that is. There seems to be somewhat of a wealth of info on OC but.not PA

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I went to their website, pa has their own line of maintenace products.

Not just maintenance products but iron & tar removers, pre-washes, glass coatings, fabric coating... etc. along with a line of some of the most advanced, easy-to-use polishes on the market. The interior products are also unique & well ahead of the curve. While the brand is quite new to the US, it is well established across Europe.

 

[Romans5.8]

On the topic of slickness, which coatings ARE slick? I haven't really seen any mention of the new Pinnacle Black Label. What are everyones thoughts on that? When the weather warms up I'm planning on putting a coating on my car. I'm really looking at PBL because of the spray-on/wipe off ease of use. Was gonna get the kit to do wheels and class too. But I'm also looking into OC and CQuartz. It all just makes my head spin. I just want it to look really good, offer good protection, and help protect from marring that may come from doing waterless washes (which is primarily what I do)

 

[TrKent]

Cosmic has unmatched slickness, especially when layered. As the video previously posted shows, the mar resistance is quite high compared to other coatings. And the slickness lasts, unlike some other 'slick' coatings I have tried.

 

[Romans5.8]

I really couldn't tell much from the video. I hate when people do tests like that. It shows one EXTREME case (I'm not gonna be bashing a lighter against the car), and not a word was spoken and all I saw was a poorly angled shot that is better focused on the cosmic than anything. Would love some high res pics to back it up. Even better, would be some 'real world' tests, like buffing with a microfiber towel dry, or tossing some find sand into the car and rubbing it with a towel, to see which coatings protect from real-world marring the best; not which protect from being bashed with the back end of a lighter the best. For all I know (and actually, it's kind of what I suspect), there was a level of "paint transfer", if you will, from the lighter that was best deflected by the Cosmic. But it may have had the most severe scratches! It's often hard to pick up fine scratches, or even deep scratches, with a camera. ESPECIALLY if it's softly focused, at an angle. Very poor video to compare the products with. I wish so much that they had taken the time with that test to really show some definitive results by taking some good quality, high res pictures. Using perhaps the 'finger trick' to help focus on the marring and scratches.

Nothing against the product, it's just that that video didn't really impress me is all. "Bad science" in other words. Perhaps good marketing, but, bad science. Reminded me of one of those "amazing product" infomercial demonstrations. Only without the over-the-top announcer.

I'll definitely look into Cosmic though. Anyone else have experience with it? Especially in an environment like a daily driver getting frequent waterless washes?