What comes after DA polish? Panel wipe? Wash?

The simple answer is that a soap or detergent leaves surfactants behind. Alcohol evaporates as it flashes while removing the polishing oils.
I get that alcohol evaporates. And I get that it must work well since people use it. The oil still has to be wiped off. I;ll stick with soap and a water rinse. As a pro I can see why this would be a PITA. On my own cars it's not a problem.

This is great. Thanks.
 
I get that alcohol evaporates. And I get that it must work well since people use it. The oil still has to be wiped off. I;ll stick with soap and a water rinse. As a pro I can see why this would be a PITA. On my own cars it's not a problem.


This is great. Thanks.

So you're still planning on doing all "panel wipe" eh?
Washing the car right after polishing the whole thing, and Then applying sealant? I guess, but if it was me, I would want to slap that sealant on asap before anything happens to my just polished paint. I don't even like a microscopic layer of dust to have to wipe off after polishing the car prior to sealing it all in. [which is of course nealy impossible]

I surely wouldn't wash and dry the vehicle, not really because there's a risk of instilling scratches [because I'm pretty competent in safely washing & drying a vehicle] But because I feel it takes a bit of that finishing luster and gloss that the finishing polish just gave it. But you already explained your mentality towards this so I don't really expect to change your mind.. To each their own.
 
Really the only time I will wash a car after polishing is if there was a tremendous amount of dust produced during the compounding stage. Even with this scenario I'll compound, wash, dry, final polish and then move on to LSP application.
 
Yea I don't know why you would want to risk putting more scratches in by doing a wash before applying the sealant
 
So you're still planning on doing all "panel wipe" eh?
Washing the car right after polishing the whole thing, and Then applying sealant? I guess, but if it was me, I would want to slap that sealant on asap before anything happens to my just polished paint. I don't even like a microscopic layer of dust to have to wipe off after polishing the car prior to sealing it all in. [which is of course nealy impossible]

I surely wouldn't wash and dry the vehicle, not really because there's a risk of instilling scratches [because I'm pretty competent in safely washing & drying a vehicle] But because I feel it takes a bit of that finishing luster and gloss that the finishing polish just gave it. But you already explained your mentality towards this so I don't really expect to change your mind.. To each their own.

Really the only time I will wash a car after polishing is if there was a tremendous amount of dust produced during the compounding stage. Even with this scenario I'll compound, wash, dry, final polish and then move on to LSP application.

Yea I don't know why you would want to risk putting more scratches in by doing a wash before applying the sealant
You guys are all in agreement. What's the difference between a panel wipe or spraying with D114 and wiping then water and wiping? They only thing left on the paint that could scratch it is polish. And if it's left on there, then applying sealant is going to scratch it as well, right? It takes me about 30 seconds to spray and rinse a panel with a hand sprayer. Don't see how I'm putting my coating at risk.

I suspect I'm either stubborn or thick. Ensuring all the polish is off makes perfect sense to me (logically, not through experience).
 
You guys are all in agreement. What's the difference between a panel wipe or spraying with D114 and wiping then water and wiping? They only thing left on the paint that could scratch it is polish. And if it's left on there, then applying sealant is going to scratch it as well, right? It takes me about 30 seconds to spray and rinse a panel with a hand sprayer. Don't see how I'm putting my coating at risk.

I suspect I'm either stubborn or thick. Ensuring all the polish is off makes perfect sense to me (logically, not through experience).

In the end, you need to do what makes you happy. If not doing a wipe down on a polished panel will drive you up a wall, then by all means, do it.

I'm a mechanic (not a "technician"), so I thrive on knowing exactly how things work as well.

However, a lot of guys on here do this for a living. First and foremost Mike P, who has been in the trenches with product in-hand for decades. If these guys tell me something works, and why, I'm inclined to trust what they say.

JMO.
 
First and foremost Mike P, who has been in the trenches with product in-hand for decades. If these guys tell me something works, and why, I'm inclined to trust what they say.
Yep. Hence my stubborn or thick comment. Many people here getting great results not sweating this stuff.
 
You guys are all in agreement. What's the difference between a panel wipe or spraying with D114 and wiping then water and wiping? They only thing left on the paint that could scratch it is polish. And if it's left on there, then applying sealant is going to scratch it as well, right? It takes me about 30 seconds to spray and rinse a panel with a hand sprayer. Don't see how I'm putting my coating at risk.

I suspect I'm either stubborn or thick. Ensuring all the polish is off makes perfect sense to me (logically, not through experience).

I understand and agree with everything you are saying. If you are working on a panel, finish polishing, and then do a panel wipe it is very unlikely that you will introduce any defects into the paint; however, you *could* still introduce defects into the paint. There is always a possibility, whenever you wipe the surface (EVEN IF it is perfectly clean) to cause damage depending on how delicate or finicky the paint system is. I have worked on old classics where literally the ONLY thing that wouldn't scratch the paint is a brand new MF towel from a certain German supplier. I had to order a couple with next day shipping to finish the car. Also, sometimes paint correction takes multiple days and a lot of compounding dust, pollen, and just generic dust can settle onto the car. This would be a situation where I would want to re-wash the car and THEN move onto final polishing, coating prep (panel wipe) if applicable, then LSP application.
 
Great discussion guys....


I just want to interject a few comments....

First, I don't care how many steps a person wants to do to their car, that's just part of our American culture. As long as you aren't hurting anyone else do as you will.

In my 3-day detailing classes, I have a power point slide that reads,

Some guys like to brag about how many steps they do.... I like to brag about how few I do...


:laughing:


One thing I notice that is common in the online detailing world is for people to take things that are very simple and make them more complicated than they have to be. That is to take washing and waxing a car and turn it into rocket science.


Here's one take at the car waxing process, that is the idea and practice of applying something to the paint on your car to do two things,

1: Protect it.

2: Make the paint and thus make the car look good.


Instead of going to great lengths to get a product to bond to the paint, instead, simply re-apply the product before you "think" it's all worn off.


Kind of the oil change analogy.


We don't wait till the bearings in our car's engine seize up before changing the oil. We change the oil before the bearings seize up. It's called,

Preventative Maintenance


I put a coating on my wife's car. It lasts a long time which is much less important to me than how it makes the paint look and how it makes washing and drying the paint fast and easy.

I use a one-step cleaner/wax on my truck. I don't care how long it lasts and thus I don't care anything about the entire "bonding issue" BECAUSE I'm going to re-apply the product often.

This is why I like light cutting cleaner/waxes. I don't need a cleaner/wax to remove major defects out the paint on my truck because I never let it get that bad. What I need a light cleaner/wax to do is remove the LIGHT or SHALLOW swirls and scratches that are a part of normal wear-n-tear.

One fast pass around my truck and it looks brand new again.

Just my take....

Kind of goes with what always say...


"Find a product you like and use it often"



Now if you're truly the person that for whatever reason cannot perform regular maintenance to your car's paint BUT you want to protect it with something and when you apply the something you want to be sure it's making a proper bond, then I'd suggest getting the McKee's Paint Coating and the McKee's Coating Prep Polish.

  1. Wash and dry the car
  2. Do any correction or polishing work you want to do to improve the paint.
  3. Hand or machine apply the McKee's Coating Prep Polish
  4. Hand apply the McKee's Paint Coating

Stand back and admire the glassy, slick feeling results. Stick a fork in it and call it done. Move on in life.


:)
 
Thanks Mike. Appreciate the reply and all the other help and guidance you give here.
 
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