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Are you guys seeing more and more businesses that are charging an extra 2.5% to 3.5% if you use a credit card?
I thought it was illegal to do that.

Although i dont necessarily agree. That puts the retailer/receiver of the credit card at a loss. Its not like the credit card company isnt making ends meet on the interest they charge.

It used to be common at gas stations. They had one pump set $$ wise for cash and another pump with a different price for credit.
 
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Are you guys seeing more and more businesses that are charging an extra 2.5% to 3.5% if you use a credit card?

It is becoming a pretty big deal here in many independently owned businesses

Some are even enforcing the price hike for debit cards

Are we headed back to a cash society?

Seeing it a lot in Michigan


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Are you guys seeing more and more businesses that are charging an extra 2.5% to 3.5% if you use a credit card?
Seeing it a lot in Michigan
That's to cover the transaction fee that the CC company charges. I personally have never seen that, only where they have a minimum for CC transactions. The little farm stand I go to sometimes has a $10 minimum for CC.
 
That's to cover the transaction fee that the CC company charges. I personally have never seen that, only where they have a minimum for CC transactions. The little farm stand I go to sometimes has a $10 minimum for CC.
Yeah, I get what it is for and many of them even put up a little sign explaining that they make no profit off of it. The cost had to always be there, perhaps at a smaller percentage, so it is a cost of doing business. I guess it just rubs me the wrong way that we have done everything possible to create a cashless society and now that has turned on us. I don't walk around with large amounts of cash and hate having to find an ATM for every trip to certain businesses so I can save $3-$6

I am just cranky I guess

Rant over
 
I thought it was illegal to do that.

Although i dont necessarily agree. That puts the retailer/receiver of the credit card at a loss. Its not like the credit card company isnt making ends meet on the interest they charge.

It used to be common at gas stations. They had one pump set $$ wise for cash and another pump with a different price for credit.
That still is here at Shell and Chevron, 5 cents off for cash

The one self serve Shell station at the local market doesn't have a kiosk so it is all credit card but they go with the lower price, partly because they only offer regular and diesel
 
Yeah, I get what it is for and many of them even put up a little sign explaining that they make no profit off of it. The cost had to always be there, perhaps at a smaller percentage, so it is a cost of doing business. I guess it just rubs me the wrong way that we have done everything possible to create a cashless society and now that has turned on us. I don't walk around with large amounts of cash and hate having to find an ATM for every trip to certain businesses so I can save $3-$6

I am just cranky I guess
No, not at all, I too have almost entirely stopped using cash, that's why I was glad the farm stand started taking credit cards, now I just have to buy more corn to get up to the $10 ;) My friend, on the other hand, refuses to use anything BUT cash, I'm not sure he even has a credit card. If he wants something from Amazon he has his nephew buy it for him and pays him cash for it.

That still is here at Shell and Chevron, 5 cents off for cash. The one self serve Shell station...
I believe NJ is the only state in the nation that doesn't allow self-serve. The lower price for cash was common here, but it seems to be going away. Maybe as a result of the "cashless" society. We have much fewer gas stations than we used to, and most of the gas stations are now gas-only (usually with a convenience store), as opposed to "service stations" that do repairs.

I'm not sure if the trend to separate out the repair shops has to do with more people getting their cars serviced at the dealer, because of the more proprietary nature of the computers, etc. Years ago I had a friend who worked part time at a gas station as a mechanic, and he said they (on purpose) had the highest gas prices in the area to keep people from buying gas there because they had no gas jockey and the mechanics had to stop work to pump the gas.

When I asked him why they sold gas at all, he said it was for the towing business that fed the repair business, that they needed the oil company name (legitimacy?) for that. That station is long gone.
 
No, not at all, I too have almost entirely stopped using cash, that's why I was glad the farm stand started taking credit cards, now I just have to buy more corn to get up to the $10 ;) My friend, on the other hand, refuses to use anything BUT cash, I'm not sure he even has a credit card. If he wants something from Amazon he has his nephew buy it for him and pays him cash for it.


I believe NJ is the only state in the nation that doesn't allow self-serve. The lower price for cash was common here, but it seems to be going away. Maybe as a result of the "cashless" society. We have much fewer gas stations than we used to, and most of the gas stations are now gas-only (usually with a convenience store), as opposed to "service stations" that do repairs.

I'm not sure if the trend to separate out the repair shops has to do with more people getting their cars serviced at the dealer, because of the more proprietary nature of the computers, etc. Years ago I had a friend who worked part time at a gas station as a mechanic, and he said they (on purpose) had the highest gas prices in the area to keep people from buying gas there because they had no gas jockey and the mechanics had to stop work to pump the gas.

When I asked him why they sold gas at all, he said it was for the towing business that fed the repair business, that they needed the oil company name (legitimacy?) for that. That station is long gone.
"Service Stations" are all but nonexistent here

Oregon used to be no self service but I think they finally got away from that a few years ago

I guess for a person who stays close to home, doesn't fly or rent cars or reserve hotels, a cash life could have advantages

We used to bank exclusively at USAA FSB and had unlimited free ATM withdrawals, even out of network

They cut that out a few years back although they will allow you to get 6 (I think) out of network withdrawals at no cost to you so we kind of have to plan our cash outlay each month

I guess there are places we could write checks but that is so cumbersome and time consuming anymore

The biggest issue is that the boss loves her miles and cash back promotions when using cards

She bought a Mazda Miyata on a credit card once
 
I guess for a person who stays close to home, doesn't fly or rent cars or reserve hotels, a cash life could have advantages
Ok, you got me, my friend must have a CC for those things, but he's pretty religious about not using them. I don't miss the days of keeping cash in the drawer and having to remember to make sure I had enough with me, etc. Of course things were different in the old days, gas stations only took (their own) oil-company credit cards, department stores only took their own card, other retailers didn't take certain credit cards (probably because of differing fee structures). I'm dating myself.
 
Ok, you got me, my friend must have a CC for those things, but he's pretty religious about not using them. I don't miss the days of keeping cash in the drawer and having to remember to make sure I had enough with me, etc. Of course things were different in the old days, gas stations only took (their own) oil-company credit cards, department stores only took their own card, other retailers didn't take certain credit cards (probably because of differing fee structures). I'm dating myself.
We are from the same era and have the same memories, a Sears card was the first credit anything I ever had and the only one until I was in my mid 20s

Dad issued us a Chevron card when we started driving

There are a couple of Shell and Chevron stations in Anchorage that are generally 35 to 55 cents more per gallon than the convenience store gas stations in the same area and I still see people buying gas there so it must be either they buy into the "TopTier Gas" advertising or they ONLY have that gas station credit card

After Donna graduated from university nursing program we got all kinds of credit cards (not offers, actual usable credit cards) and it didn't take us long to get in trouble
 
Ha ha, I think I got turned down by Sears. I think my first credit card was a Diner's Club card and I think the reason I was able to get that was that you couldn't use it anywhere. It was only after I bought my first new car and had a loan that I was paying that I was able to start getting credit cards. Wait...I think I did have a couple of oil-company credit cards that I got before that, I always figured they gave them to you because how many tanks of gas can you buy? But of course I guess you could charge repairs on those cards, too. I was happy to drop them in the 90's when gas stations started taking Visa and Mastercard.
 
Ha ha, I think I got turned down by Sears. I think my first credit card was a Diner's Club card and I think the reason I was able to get that was that you couldn't use it anywhere. It was only after I bought my first new car and had a loan that I was paying that I was able to start getting credit cards. Wait...I think I did have a couple of oil-company credit cards that I got before that, I always figured they gave them to you because how many tanks of gas can you buy? But of course I guess you could charge repairs on those cards, too. I was happy to drop them in the 90's when gas stations started taking Visa and Mastercard.

There was one gas card, possibly Phillips, that also worked at a specific motel chain, although I don’t remember the name

You could even use it in their attached restaurant

I still remember feeling like a big shot checking into the motel and charging meals

That was well before we had BankAmericard (VISA) or Master Charge (Mastercard)


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VENTING! :mad:

When people sitting in the comfort of their air-conditioned office tell those out on their feet how to do their job!

Two things -

1 - Wind makes people tetchy. For the better part of 4 hours, I had been cleaning leaves to the best of my ability despite the cold wind blowing from the south. The ice was thin!

2. You don’t want to be on the receiving end when that ice breaks. I may look tame on the outside, but my bite is vicious and venomous.

Today’s job consists of 3 houses with adjoining back yards, two of which have their back yards back to back. A large hotel runs the full length of the block to the side of the property. Normally, it takes me about 1.5 – 2 hours to mow. But being Autumn, there was plenty of extra to be done cleaning up fallen leaves. With the wind today, I was at hour 3 and had one last part to do, the front lawn and nature strip with a large pear tree which had lost 90% of its leaves in the last two weeks. My method is to blow as much as I can onto the grass, then mow it roughly to deal with the bulk. I then go back in with the blower to push any displaced leaves back off the pavement and onto the lawn for a final cut. With the wind, I was struggling to contain the leaves to the owners property. By this stage, I was getting tetchy.

I then had the groundman of the hotel walking towards me, who had been sent out by the manager after sitting inside watching me on the security cameras supposedly blowing leaves into the hotel property. Apparently, the groundsman was told to blow the leaves back into my face. I was a little sharp in suggesting I was doing my best, that I WAS going to come back and attempt to blow the leaves back, but with the headwind its kinda hard. In any case, I had only just started, I wasn’t even close to being finished! I WAS going to go back and clean up additional leaves along their side of the pavement as a courtesy.

The groundsman agreed the manager was a d.ck. I bluntly asked what his name was, then suggested that if he wanted to come out here and speak to me about, I was more than happy to set him straight, that I was raring for an argument. The guy sort of didn’t know what to say other than he himself had cleaned leaves up 4 times in 3 days, he understood the situation. I pointed to the camera and said the manager is probably listening right now, but again suggested that he could come out here and tell it to my face and I’d would give him a fu.king character reference! He again agreed, said that he would sort the manager out.

Fuming, I continued with my work and was again approached by the groundsman. He actually held out his hand and introduced himself formally. We shook hands and agreed it was a give and take situation, sometimes leaves from his side I clean up, sometimes leaves from my side he cleans up. It was almost like he was apologising on the behalf of the hotel manager’s ignorance, who was sitting inside a climate-controlled office watching others work. I’d like to see him “manage” to remove the tube of my leaf blower from his ass.

I’m usually placid until severely provoked, at which point I SNAP. My father is the same, a very high threshold of tolerance, then BANG. I’ve dealt with the above situations a few times now, its ALWAYS on a windy day with me trying to do my best, ALWAYS an arrogant twit who has no idea what they are dealing with. These jerks are always of the assumption that a gardener with a leaf blower is a menace to society. I never willingly create mess or leave a job site with sh.t all over the road or neighbouring properties………………because I hate it when others do this. But I can’t control the weather or seasons.

And at the end of the day…………………….we are talking about a few stray leaves. In the grand scheme of things, the world is not going to stop turning.

VENTED. :cautious:
 
VENTING! :mad:

When people sitting in the comfort of their air-conditioned office tell those out on their feet how to do their job!

Two things -

1 - Wind makes people tetchy. For the better part of 4 hours, I had been cleaning leaves to the best of my ability despite the cold wind blowing from the south. The ice was thin!

2. You don’t want to be on the receiving end when that ice breaks. I may look tame on the outside, but my bite is vicious and venomous.

Today’s job consists of 3 houses with adjoining back yards, two of which have their back yards back to back. A large hotel runs the full length of the block to the side of the property. Normally, it takes me about 1.5 – 2 hours to mow. But being Autumn, there was plenty of extra to be done cleaning up fallen leaves. With the wind today, I was at hour 3 and had one last part to do, the front lawn and nature strip with a large pear tree which had lost 90% of its leaves in the last two weeks. My method is to blow as much as I can onto the grass, then mow it roughly to deal with the bulk. I then go back in with the blower to push any displaced leaves back off the pavement and onto the lawn for a final cut. With the wind, I was struggling to contain the leaves to the owners property. By this stage, I was getting tetchy.

I then had the groundman of the hotel walking towards me, who had been sent out by the manager after sitting inside watching me on the security cameras supposedly blowing leaves into the hotel property. Apparently, the groundsman was told to blow the leaves back into my face. I was a little sharp in suggesting I was doing my best, that I WAS going to come back and attempt to blow the leaves back, but with the headwind its kinda hard. In any case, I had only just started, I wasn’t even close to being finished! I WAS going to go back and clean up additional leaves along their side of the pavement as a courtesy.

The groundsman agreed the manager was a d.ck. I bluntly asked what his name was, then suggested that if he wanted to come out here and speak to me about, I was more than happy to set him straight, that I was raring for an argument. The guy sort of didn’t know what to say other than he himself had cleaned leaves up 4 times in 3 days, he understood the situation. I pointed to the camera and said the manager is probably listening right now, but again suggested that he could come out here and tell it to my face and I’d would give him a fu.king character reference! He again agreed, said that he would sort the manager out.

Fuming, I continued with my work and was again approached by the groundsman. He actually held out his hand and introduced himself formally. We shook hands and agreed it was a give and take situation, sometimes leaves from his side I clean up, sometimes leaves from my side he cleans up. It was almost like he was apologising on the behalf of the hotel manager’s ignorance, who was sitting inside a climate-controlled office watching others work. I’d like to see him “manage” to remove the tube of my leaf blower from his ass.

I’m usually placid until severely provoked, at which point I SNAP. My father is the same, a very high threshold of tolerance, then BANG. I’ve dealt with the above situations a few times now, its ALWAYS on a windy day with me trying to do my best, ALWAYS an arrogant twit who has no idea what they are dealing with. These jerks are always of the assumption that a gardener with a leaf blower is a menace to society. I never willingly create mess or leave a job site with sh.t all over the road or neighbouring properties………………because I hate it when others do this. But I can’t control the weather or seasons.

And at the end of the day…………………….we are talking about a few stray leaves. In the grand scheme of things, the world is not going to stop turning.

VENTED. :cautious:
You're not allowed to carry a machete down there anymore, are you? I find openly carrying one stops idiots from annoying me pretty quickly.
 
It has been said that bosses are like diapers.
They are always on your ass and usually full of sh*t.

That is one of the reasons why I'm now fully my own boss. In my case, I was the golden child..........................but the attitude changed when I stopped kissing ass and feeding egos.

On the same topic as yesterday, about two years before I quit my job that I'd held for 20 years, the owners of the business had "security" camera's installed in the shop, loading dock and two facing out into the nursery. It was supposed to combat a rise in customer theft, but it became clear that one of the three bosses (who are all brothers) started using the cameras to spy on staff, they could even listen in on conversations between other staff and customers. Even when he had the day off, he'd be at home watching what was going on from his phone. It got to the point where he was spending more time watching others working on the cameras instead of spending that time being productive. He would complain about a lack of productivity from two key employees, completely at odds to the amount of time he wasted messing about with those bloody cameras. I have a VERY low hypocrisy threshold.
 
That is one of the reasons why I'm now fully my own boss. In my case, I was the golden child..........................but the attitude changed when I stopped kissing ass and feeding egos.

On the same topic as yesterday, about two years before I quit my job that I'd held for 20 years, the owners of the business had "security" camera's installed in the shop, loading dock and two facing out into the nursery. It was supposed to combat a rise in customer theft, but it became clear that one of the three bosses (who are all brothers) started using the cameras to spy on staff, they could even listen in on conversations between other staff and customers. Even when he had the day off, he'd be at home watching what was going on from his phone. It got to the point where he was spending more time watching others working on the cameras instead of spending that time being productive. He would complain about a lack of productivity from two key employees, completely at odds to the amount of time he wasted messing about with those bloody cameras. I have a VERY low hypocrisy threshold.
Many years ago I got a new Ops Manager as my boss, she decided her office window that looked out into the warehouse should be mirrored glass so we couldn't tell when she was watching us. I asked the HR Director, who was actually a really good guy, if that's allowed, turns out she hadn't got approval for it. She tried to claim it was for her privacy, but one whole wall of her office was glass looking out into the main office. After that we parked pallets in front of the window every chance we got, it was for her privacy. She only lasted 18 months.
 
Many years ago I got a new Ops Manager as my boss, she decided her office window that looked out into the warehouse should be mirrored glass so we couldn't tell when she was watching us. I asked the HR Director, who was actually a really good guy, if that's allowed, turns out she hadn't got approval for it. She tried to claim it was for her privacy, but one whole wall of her office was glass looking out into the main office. After that we parked pallets in front of the window every chance we got, it was for her privacy. She only lasted 18 months.

Privacy for what exactly?:unsure: Why would she need privacy while doing paperwork? Or did she like to work in the nude? Or perhaps entertaining gentlemen callers during lunch?
 
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