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So for Christmas I got a pretty good start on detailing products including a basic PC 7424XP kit. It came with pinnacle swirl remover and finishing polish. After playing around with it I'm not getting the results I want on my car. Granted it is semi old and wasn't ever properly taken care of. I do not know if it is because of the products I have are to weak or my poor technique or both.

Anyways, I have a little bit of money that I am willing to spend on detailing and was wondering what y'all would recommend? 3 inch backing plate and pads? Glass polishing stuff? Stronger compound or pads for my car?

Thanks in advance!
 
We need to see the paint to make a recommendation. It could be:

1. Need a more aggressive compound or approach.

2. Technique.

3. Clear coat failure.

My guess is #2. Technique is everything.
 
I'm also positive that it isn't clear coat failure. I don't have a picture yet I'll try to get one when I get back home. I think my technique is definitely a factor especially since I have maybe 30 minutes of polishing time under my belt. It's jet black paint, completely covered in swirls but on the hood there are very severe water spots.

But do you think I should work on getting the pair fixed before I buy anything else?
 
I meant to say almost not also. And thank you for the quick reply!
 
Try:

1. Putting more pressure on the polisher. As long as the pad is spinning your good. You want to put about 15lbs of pressure down.

2. Moving the polisher 1-2" a second

3. Priming the pad with a single whole spritz of detail spray. Just one spray. Prime the pad first very lightly, but completely with the polish as well. You only need 3 dime size dots of polish on the pad as "working product"

4. Run the machine at speed 6.

5. Use a 18x18" work area.

If you can get all 5 of those points coordinated at once, you will know if it's technique or you need a more aggressive combo.

Some common mistakes are:

1. Using too much polish. This actually decreased cut. Using too little polish can cause pad marring if it's running dry on paint.

2. Working too large an area.

3. Moving the polisher to fast.

4. Running the polisher to slow - backing plate not spinning or not spinning efficiently.

5. Overheating pads or not swapping out or cleaning pads frequently enough.

6. Not using the compression washer between the backing plate and the spindle.

**** One very important point: always feel around the polisher spindle and the pad to make sure things aren't getting to hot. Warm is OK. Hot - no good.
 
Ok I will definitely try all of that! Thank you very much!
 
What do you think would be more beneficial? 3 inch BP and pads or glass polishing supplies?
 
I'm also positive that it isn't clear coat failure. I don't have a picture yet I'll try to get one when I get back home. I think my technique is definitely a factor especially since I have maybe 30 minutes of polishing time under my belt. It's jet black paint, completely covered in swirls but on the hood there are very severe water spots.

But do you think I should work on getting the pair fixed before I buy anything else?

Although the PC unit is a great tool for the money, it lacks a bit of torque. I would recommend picking up a more aggressive compound to remove the majority of the swirls and then finish it out with a nice polishing and LSP. Try Meg's 105! Best bang for your buck!
 
Thank you for the suggestion! Is M105 more aggressive than megs ultimate compound?
 
M105 is more aggressive. Ultimate compound is between m105 and m83 I believe.
 
I would like to state that even know a 3 inch pb will fit the pc, IMO the combo is not meant because of how large the top of the pc compared to the bp. The metal housing protrudes past the pb making it very hard to actually see what your polishing.
 
I would like to state that even know a 3 inch pb will fit the pc, IMO the combo is not meant because of how large the top of the pc compared to the bp. The metal housing protrudes past the pb making it very hard to actually see what your polishing.

Precisely why I pre-ordered the Rupes 75e mini! Can't wait for it to arrive so I can put it to the test!
 
So I think I'm going to order some M105 for sure. Should I consider some hand applicators instead of the 3 inch BP and pads?
 
Well it looks like M105 is about the same price as Wolfgang Uber Compound. Should I look into that a an alternative?
 
M105 is more aggressive. Ultimate compound is between m105 and m83 I believe.

Ultimate Compound is more aggressive than M83 and would be easier for you to work with than M105. If you read some reviews here experienced users have problems with M105 since it does have a learning curve. Another thing to look into would be Meguiars D300 with Microfiber pads which once again would be easier to use and do a good job.

http://www.autopiaforums.com/Todd-Helme/polish-chart.jpg
 
What to buy? Did you get the 5" backing plate for the PC? If not you NEED IT.

Depending on your paint, what shape it's in, if it's been sanded before, is it single stage or bc/cc, and of course hard or soft.

From there it's about what speed you run your machine, pad speed, arm speed and of course arm pressure.

You'll also need a supply of pads. First time around with neglected paint (that say is on the hard side) working with the PC and 5½" pads you can probably get away with yellow pads. And to complete the entire vehicle you'll need at least 4 if not 6 of them.

Next time you'll probably be able to get away with orange pads, if not white. ;)

May be that the Pinnacle Swirl Remover doesn't have enough cut as well. Could be you need a more aggressive pad as well as compound.

To really get a handle on what work for your vehicle it may take 2~3 different pads just for the compounding stage. Same thing for the polishing stage. Remembering that you don't want to go at it full bore, when 'half cocked' can, (and often does) provide the results you're looking for. Basically you'll need 3~4 of at least 4 if not 5 different pads.

Test spot, test spot, TEST SPOT. If you have to, make half a dozen test spots. Do one with yellow pads, speed 5, medium arm pressure slow arm speed, 3 section passes, light water spritz then 2 more passes. Then another with everything the same but now with an orange pad.

Two more test spots, except change the compound next time.

You're not looking for total correction, not at this point. You're looking for removal of swirls to a level that you are satisfied with, that works with how you use your vehicle. Plus you are still going to polish it so what little things are left you may be able to finish on down during your polishing stage.

Basically once you get it where you are comfortable at the end of your test spot, you use THAT test spot to do your polishing. From there it's just a matter of dividing the entire thing into a series of 16"~18" square 'test spots'. )

Also, there is no sense in doing a 98% correction on a daily driver that gets washed every other week. But that doesn't mean that you CAN'T, just that it may not work for your intended use. Probably a good 80% correction and you're good. :props:

I would say do NOT get 105 and 205. Megs 101 maybe, then 205. Or over the counter you can get Ultimate Compound and Ultimate Polish which are darned near the same as 105/205. (Actually a spin off from those two, just that they work longer and have a bit less cut.) Most vehicles can be done with UC / UP twins actually.

Also, look at the Meguiar's Microfiber Correction Kit in the 5½" size. It'll give you a backing plate, 2 cutting and 2 finishing pads as well as a bottle of D300 (correction compound) and D301 (finishing polish/wax). You WILL NEED AIR though to clean them. It can be a little pancake compressor, but you WILL need it. If not, then stick to foam pads.

Once you have a couple of different compounds, and a couple different polishes as well as a decent selection of pads to work with then you just start working on your technique. The difference between acceptable correction and not is sometimes as simple as a pad change. Or a bit of arm pressure, or speed, or both. Just don't be afraid to experiment. From there it's all fun. :dblthumb2:
 
Thank you very much for the detailed reply! So I might should just throw out 3 inch pads for now and invest in more regular sized pads? As of now I only have the two it came with. An orange and a black
 
Thank you very much for the detailed reply! So I might should just throw out 3 inch pads for now and invest in more regular sized pads? As of now I only have the two it came with. An orange and a black

NEVER throw away pads! Ya never know when you might need them! I have more pads than I know what to do with and I just ordered 13 more! Lol!
 
I know this thread basically pertains to polishing, polish-pad combos, touches on techniques, etc.

Was curious though, did you clay the car before you started polishing? This is certainly an important step that shouldn't be bypassed. It will make the polishing job easier.
Mark
 
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