What is a proper section pass? How?

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Hello all!

My idea of a section pass is a cross hatch pattern on a 2x2 section? Please correct me if I'm wrong!

Also...

Am I adding more product to the pad for every pass I choose to do? I was advised that more product can render the correction in affective in some instances.

If there seems to be enough product on a section, can I theoretically do about 3-4 passes without adding more product?

Not to reiterate what I'm asking but I just want everyone who helps understand what I am trying to say.

Thank you for your patience and help!
 
Hello all!

My idea of a section pass is a cross hatch pattern on a 2x2 section? Please correct me if I'm wrong!

Also...

Am I adding more product to the pad for every pass I choose to do? I was advised that more product can render the correction in effective in some instances.

If there seems to be enough product on a section, can I theoretically do about 3-4 passes without adding more product?

Not to reiterate what I'm asking but I just want everyone who helps understand what I am trying to say.

Thank you for your patience and help!

Hi Gretchen,

Here is answer to question #1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q70g83mnTn4

First prime your pad. After you do 6 - 8 sections passes on a 2x2 area, wipe and review your results. It's usually a good idea to have a strong LED flash light, or a Flex Swirl Finder Light to see the minute details, emulating a sun spot.

If the results are good, Add a pea sized drop of product and move onto another 2x2 section.

What products are you using? This will depend on how long you can work the product. Meg's 105, 101, are pretty quick and as long as there is product on the pad they will continue to work, due to the SMAT (super micro abrasive technology). If it's Menz, Pinnacle, etc... they will start to break down with more section passes as they use DAT (diminishing abrasive technology).

Anything with SMAT, or at least Megs 105, 101, 205, can be "rejuvenated" just by adding a spritz of water to the pad.

hope this helps.

For more tips and videos, you should visit the resource center for a lot of How Too Videos with Mike Phillips.

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I have the ultimate line uc up upw.

Recently I wanted to try HD SPEED. I bought and yet to try it. Based on my collected information, HD SPEED sounds like it has a long working time.
 
I have the ultimate line uc up upw.

Recently I wanted to try HD SPEED. I bought and yet to try it. Based on my collected information, HD SPEED sounds like it has a long working time.

It does and little to no dust. After you've done your test spot do the entire car before buffing off and you will get better durability. Doesn't matter if you're going to top it with a pure LSP.

With HD products remember "less is more." Prime the pad with 4-5 pea sized drops on the outer edge--don't rub it in, don't prime the pad with QD or water--then 2-3 pea sized drops for each sections after that. Adjust quantity a little for temp, paint condition etc. Clean the pad on the fly often. Use slow arm speed and speed 5 - 6 on your plolisher.
 
It does and little to no dust. After you've done your test spot do the entire car before buffing off and you will get better durability. Doesn't matter if you're going to top it with a pure LSP.

With HD products remember "less is more." Prime the pad with 4-5 pea sized drops on the outer edge--don't rub it in, don't prime the pad with QD or water--then 2-3 pea sized drops for each sections after that. Adjust quantity a little for temp, paint condition etc. Clean the pad on the fly often. Use slow arm speed and speed 5 - 6 on your plolisher.

:iagree: :dblthumb2:

A little goes a longgg wayy with HD Products. Another reason they are such a great value. HD Products = Lower acquisition cost and they go further than many competitive products. Also what he said, do the entire vehicle and let Speed cure for at least 45 minutes before wiping off. This assures you get the longevity of the protection side of Speed.

Me personally, I like to top it with Poxy as Speed has this in it and it adds amazing additional shine and longevity. With my Rupes 75 and a 4" pad I can coat an average sized vehicle with Poxy in about 15-20 minutes. Very little time invested for a amazing additional benefit.
 
After trying HD Polish yesterday for the first time, I'm anxious to see what Adapt is like. Speed sounds like a great AIO. I ordered both Adapt and Speed today.

Traditionally, I've liked Menzerna FG400 and SF4000. I've tried m105/205 and while they do produce nice results, I did not like the dusting.
 
How do you know when you have enough product on the pad during your passes. I have a feeling I used too much this weekend. I was using HD Speed and Polish and was using an x across the pad every new section. I though I might be using too much, but when I tried to clean on the fly with a terry towel, nothing was coming off the pad...I did notice I wasn't getting much but at all with the speed but I chocked it up to hard GM clear.
 
How do you know when you have enough product on the pad during your passes. I have a feeling I used too much this weekend. I was using HD Speed and Polish and was using an x across the pad every new section. I though I might be using too much, but when I tried to clean on the fly with a terry towel, nothing was coming off the pad...I did notice I wasn't getting much but at all with the speed but I chocked it up to hard GM clear.

From Mike Phillips' articles http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...how-much-product-do-i-use-my-da-polisher.html
 
Hello all!

My idea of a section pass is a cross hatch pattern on a 2x2 section? Please correct me if I'm wrong!

If you're using a Porter Cable or the Porter Cable type of tool, for any major correction work a 2' by 2' area is too large.

I know that's what every expert, website, how-to article and video recommends but if you're trying to remove a lot of swirls and scratches it's faster to work a smaller area because these tools are the least powerful.

Then overlap a little into the previous section when starting a new section.


Here's the thread with the definition written out,

Tips and Techniques for using the PC 7424XP Dual Action Polisher to remove Below Surface Defects


Here's the definition...

The definition of a pass
There are two definitions of the word pass as it relates to machine polishing with any type of machine.


Single Pass
A single pass is just that. It's when you move the polisher from one side of the section you're buffing to the other side of the section you're buffing. That's a single pass.


Section Pass
A section pass is when you move the polisher back and forth, or front to back with enough single overlapping passes to cover the entire section one time. That's a section pass.




In most cases if you're removing any substantial below surface defects you're going to make 6-8 section passes to the section you’re working before you either feel comfortable you've removed the defects or you're at the end of the buffing cycle for the product you're using.




Also...

Am I adding more product to the pad for every pass I choose to do?

No. Add product to pad, buff out section. Wipe off residue and inspect. Then either buff again or move onto new section. Shouldn't have to buff again because you should dial in your process by doing a Test Spot first. Don't buff out the entire car until you dial in a process that works.

How To Do a Test Spot



was advised that more product can render the correction in affective in some instances.

That's correct. If you use TOO much product you hyper lubricate the surface and the abrasives will glide instead of cut.




If there seems to be enough product on a section, can I theoretically do about 3-4 passes without adding more product?

Yes. Even more. Like 6 to 8 section passes. Just don't buff to a dry buff.

Wet Buffing Technique



Not to reiterate what I'm asking but I just want everyone who helps understand what I am trying to say.

Thank you for your patience and help!


Read this,


DA Polisher Trouble Shooting Guide



Good questions. You're learning.


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