What is the BEST Finishing/Jeweling polish to use AFTER Meguiars 205 with a Flex or PC for that extra gloss?

I used PO85rd on my black escape with a pc on 6. In love with it and since I have a flippin huge bottle for my two cars...probably not trying anything else for a while. :)
 
gmck said:
Obviously I’ve got no idea about using them on a Flex, but I’ve used those combinations on an ordinary DA and the result is pretty good. I would reckon the Flex should at least do the same. Like others have said to finish or jewel paint, I go with rotary every time.

You don’t need a lot of P085RD. Start with 4 pea size drops, but you can drop that back to half the size once the pad is primed for subsequent sections. It does take a long time to break down on a DA (much quicker on a rotary). I’m guessing here about the Flex, but I’d start at 6 with pressure and then lighten up and reduce speed to say 4 or 3. Once the film has gone translucent it is fully broken down. Don’t forget to use a pad brush each time before you add more product. You can’t expect a really top finish unless you work absolutely clean.
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I saw a noticeable difference between breakdown time from speed 5 to 5.5 (faster) on a flex with the optimum (ample using MP's definition). If you use more than enough polish you just extend the breakdown times. Once it is almost cleared up you can light off the pressure for two passes and then stop. It does not seem to be that very sensitive to over buffing (dust, mar).
 
Menz 106 and 85rd are polish's that like to buff wet, and stay wet. You should not be polising until they disappear IME.

I'm surprised to see you saying that you had a hard time breaking down the polish with the FLEX ! Which is making me believe you are trying to polish till the product disappears.

Slow your speed down on the FLex (speed 3 or 4), and make 6 to 8 cross patterns with moderate to light pressure, and your done. 85 is not for correction. Its basically just to clean up the paint and refine the clarity. I think your using and treating the product wrong. It sounds like your using it like a swirl remover.

Slow speed on polisher (4/5 on DA, 3/4 on flex) with faster arm movement than normal and moderate to light pressure. 8 pass's, and wipe of wet. The polish should just lightly flash over and your done. Treat it like a glaze, not a swirl mark remover.
 
JetBlackBMW said:
Can you top PoliSeal with a glaze and then a wax? Would they bond? I have both a glaze and carbuba wax that I want to use after the final finishing polish.
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I don't use glazes so I can't comment on that. Carnauba waxes shouldn't be a problem because I've topped PoliSeal with Collinite 845 with great results.
 
superior_shine said:
What the heck is "jeweling"???
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Joe, you are hilarious!
Jeweling is a term that Todd Helme coined awhile ago.

In his words and from what I recall...
He wanted to define ultra-fine polishing with a specific term so he could gauge how long it would be before other guys started to use it.

Obviously, it didn't take long to catch on.

For guys like us, it's the same as final polishing to the finest degree.
Hey- let's see how long it takes to make this phrase catch on:

"...I Joe'd the paint for an hour, until she was shinney' like a new penny..." :props:
 
Kevin Brown said:
Joe, you are hilarious!
Jeweling is a term that Todd Helme coined awhile ago.

In his words and from what I recall...
He wanted to define ultra-fine polishing with a specific term so he could gauge how long it would be before other guys started to use it.

Obviously, it didn't take long to catch on.

For guys like us, it's the same as final polishing to the finest degree.
Hey- let's see how long it takes to make this phrase catch on:

"...I Joe'd the paint for an hour, until she was shinney' like a new penny..." :props:
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In all fairness Killrwheelz used the term before I did, although he was referring to using a Dual-Action polisher and lifting the pad off the paint. IME the wrong way to do it. However I had no knowledge that he actually used the term when I first started using it.
 
TH0001 said:
In all fairness Killrwheelz used the term before I did, although he was referring to using a Dual-Action polisher and lifting the pad off the paint. IME the wrong way to do it. However I had no knowledge that he actually used the term when I first started using it.
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Straight from the Maestro himself..! :bowdown:
 
Jeff120 said:
I need to get some PO85RD, always hear how good it is. I dont really want 32 oz, do they make a smaller bottle?
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dont wait any longer.... i was reading about everyone saying how good it its so i finally bought it. and wow i use it for almost every car with unbelievable results. i love this stuff, the working time, the cut and the finish.... when i have cars that dont have deep scratches or major swirls i usually only have to use this as a 1 step and the a sealant. i have a rotary so maybe that might be why it finishes better.
 
next gen detail said:
dont wait any longer.... i was reading about everyone saying how good it its so i finally bought it. and wow i use it for almost every car with unbelievable results. i love this stuff, the working time, the cut and the finish.... when i have cars that dont have deep scratches or major swirls i usually only have to use this as a 1 step and the a sealant. i have a rotary so maybe that might be why it finishes better.
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Can anyone explain how/why it finishes better on a rotary vs a Flex or PC?
 
maybe the master pros kevin or joe will answer that for us-i to would like to see a review of the new optimum finish polish:xyxthumbs:
 
JetBlackBMW said:
I am using a Flex 3401 and want to know what is the best jeweling polish for SOFT jet black paint? Some jeweling polishes are best used with a rotary (po85rd or ultrafina) and I want to know what people use with a Flex 3401 or PC?
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I just finished doing my '07 Sonata (medium hard finish) and found what for me is a great jewelling combo:


  • Flex 3401
  • 5.5" LC black (gray) pad
  • Wolfgang Paintwork Polish Enhancer
  • Ran the Flex at speed 5.5

The black 5.5" pad was fabulous to use for this!

Pictures can't show how glass smooth the finish turned out.

Regards,
GEWB

 
mg6045 said:
Menz 106 and 85rd are polish's that like to buff wet, and stay wet. You should not be polising until they disappear IME.

I'm surprised to see you saying that you had a hard time breaking down the polish with the FLEX ! Which is making me believe you are trying to polish till the product disappears.

Slow your speed down on the FLex (speed 3 or 4), and make 6 to 8 cross patterns with moderate to light pressure, and your done. 85 is not for correction. Its basically just to clean up the paint and refine the clarity. I think your using and treating the product wrong. It sounds like your using it like a swirl remover.

Slow speed on polisher (4/5 on DA, 3/4 on flex) with faster arm movement than normal and moderate to light pressure. 8 pass's, and wipe of wet. The polish should just lightly flash over and your done. Treat it like a glaze, not a swirl mark remover.
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Good advice, thanks:props:
 
There is clearly more than one way to use the polish and get the same final results.
 
I have tried many polishes for jeweling. HD Uno, Megs, Mothers,Menzerna and a few others. All my work is usually done with the Flex 3401. My favorite is Menzerna. I can see it breaking down,and it's easy to remove. I don't feel jeweling is really needed. But done correctly it can enhance the finish. I think speed of machine and movement may vary with buffer and product! JMO
 
gewb said:
I just finished doing my '07 Sonata (medium hard finish) and found what for me is a great jewelling combo:


  • Flex 3401
  • 5.5" LC black (gray) pad
  • Wolfgang Paintwork Polish Enhancer
  • Ran the Flex at speed 5.5
The black 5.5" pad was fabulous to use for this!

Pictures can't show how glass smooth the finish turned out.

Regards,
GEWB
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You jeweled with a non-abrasive paint cleaner?
 
loudog2 said:
You jeweled with a non-abrasive paint cleaner?
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Not exactly. I, too, thought WPPE wasn't abrasive until I read the product write up on AG where it talked about micro fillers (this was a couple years ago).

That got me thinking...I called AG and was told that indeed WPPE had extremely fine particulates that might work in jewelling. However, AG had not tried using it in a jewelling application and they said "Give it a try, it can't hurt." So I tried it and it worked great.

Regards,
GEWB
 
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