What Machine, and which products for a 1st time full detail/correction on new CTSV

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Hello All,

1st off, Merry Christmas, and happy holidays to everyone. I am new to the forum and looking for some recommendations and knowledge in regards to detailing my new car.

The wife went out and gave me the go ahead just before the holidays to purchase a car that I had been wanting for a few years. A Thunder Grey Chromaflair CTSV. After selling one of my other toys (93 Turbo LSX mustang), we decided that this would be a more practical vehicle, that she could enjoy as well.

I just purchased the vehicle used. Its a 2010 with 18k miles. There are no really noticeable scratches, but in the right light, it does have some small haze/swirl mark scratches around the vehicle. The color and paint do a good job at hiding them, but I want to make this thing perfect and shine like no other.

The plastic trim also has this white stuff on it that I cannot seem to get out. Any recommendations on that? I am referring to the pieces on the back bumper by the tail pipes...

I really enjoy detailing our vehicles, but that just consists of the normal 2 bucket wash, and clay baring/waxing them. I haven't buffed a car in years, but do still remember quite a bit.

So, my questions to you. I have been looking around the site at some of your porter cable kits, and wanted to know which route i should go.

I am looking for what you would recommend for a wax/sealant for this particular car/color/finish. What you recommend for the machine, and what you would recommend for correcting the paints imperfections.

I thank you for your time and look forward to everyone's response.

Thank you


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jankerson said:
I just posted recommendations in this thread here:

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ad-everything-but-still-lost.html#post1015106


Only thing I would add would be WG Uber Compound for you.

Wolfgang Uber Compound, car polish, polishing compound
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Thank you for your reply. I am assuming that most of those products can take care of numerous issues.

Is there a specific wax, or something that would be beneficial to use after corrected for the deep silver/grey color that the car has? This is pretty much something I would want to have to do once a year and maintain from there if possible. I keep all my vehicles garaged (minus my civic lol) and clean once to twice a week.
 
steveiguess said:
Thank you for your reply. I am assuming that most of those products can take care of numerous issues.

Is there a specific wax, or something that would be beneficial to use after corrected for the deep silver/grey color that the car has? This is pretty much something I would want to have to do once a year and maintain from there if possible. I keep all my vehicles garaged (minus my civic lol) and clean once to twice a week.
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Yes, WG Deeep Gloss Paint Sealant would really make the paint pop for you and leave a nice wet look.

Put on 2 coats 24 hours apart. :)

Let cure for about an hour before buffing off the haze.

Also you could try WG Fuzion, put over WG Deep Gloss Paint Sealant, it's expensive, but the 3 oz size isn't too bad to try it out.
 
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jankerson said:
I would start with the Tangerine pad 1st and do a test spot with the WG Total Swirl Remover and see if that removes the defects.

If not then move to the Uber Compound with the same pad and do another test spot.
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If that were to work, would you still use the uber compound 3.0 or go to the finishing glaze afterwards?

I am trying to make sense of the offerings of their line with the kit. It seems from the description that you can use those products to take care of the same issues. Unfortunately, im not familiar with all of these products and to what degree they work.

(have been on forum for 3 hrs this morning lol)
 
steveiguess said:
If that were to work, would you still use the uber compound 3.0 or go to the finishing glaze afterwards?

I am trying to make sense of the offerings of their line with the kit. It seems from the description that you can use those products to take care of the same issues. Unfortunately, im not familiar with all of these products and to what degree they work.

(have been on forum for 3 hrs this morning lol)
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I would go straight to the Finishing Glaze on the Tangerine pad, it's really a Fine Finishing Polish, not a Glaze.
 
In order of most cut to least cut:

WG Uber Compound (Heavy defect removal)
WG Total Swirl Remover (Medium to fine defect Removal)
WG Finishing Glaze (Fine finishing Polish, light defect removal)

But you can use Uber Compound on a Polishing Pad, the Tangerine pad to reduce the cut to act more like a polish, then move right to the Finishing Glaze on the Red Pad.

The test spot will tell you what the paint needs in order of what to use.
 
Thank you for the reply. Looks like I may be going with that kit. Now I am trying to decide if I want the fuzion wax or the pinnacle sovern carnuba. lol. Too many choices. I used to just use the gold class McGuires and I always like how that turned out.
 
I love me some V, was my first pick until I realized I didn't fit in one! TSR is an outstanding product, go with the hydro tech tangerine to start like ^^ said. I believe GM's are notorious for HARD paint so you may need to drop down to cyan to get more cut. Its just ME, and probably many other people out there, but I would go with a GG unit not the PC.
My process would be wash, and decon, either with nanoskin products or old school clay. I would get the TSR combo, 8 oz pack is more than enough. You can get a free trial of the WGDGPS with your order. I would get hyrdro tech pads, the 5 pad set should last you a long time if your just doing your car.

GG unit:
Griots Garage 6 Inch Random Orbital Polisher

TSR Combo:
Wolfgang 8 oz. Swirl Remover Combo, Wolfgang polishes, total swirl remover, finishing glaze, machine glaze

Free sealant, BTW, a LITTLE goes a LONG way.
Free Sample with your Order

Hydrotech 5 pack of pads:
Lake Country Hydro-Tech Essentials Pad Kit

Many different clay choices out there.

With 15% off and free shipping now is the time!!
Just realized I posted 5.5" pads, so if you go that route get the backing plate. The 5.5" pads are thin profile, better for the GG unit.
 
steveiguess said:
Thank you for your reply. I am assuming that most of those products can take care of numerous issues.
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Yes.

Here's a write-up I did recently for a car I buffed out that came in completely swirled-out and filled with water spots. I used the Wolfgang Uber Compound with the Rupes Duetto Prototype before the Rupes Duetto was introduced publicly.

You can use the same Wolfgang Uber Compound followed by the Wolfgang Finishing Glaze, (which is a fine cut polish despite the word "glaze" in the name), and then seal with a wax, sealant or coating.


Look through this thread as I documented very well the before, during and after results with pictures.


Lady in Red - 1986 Porsche - 4-Step Process

Results from Wolfgang Uber Compound

I took these shots after compounding with Uber Compound and BEFORE machine polishing with the Wolfgang Finishing Glaze. To me the paint looked ready to wax...


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1986_Porsche_Mike_Phillips_031.jpg



I like the Porter Cable with 5.5" LC Flat pads, a lot of guys prefer the Griot's Garage version of the Porter Cable as it does have more power. Both will get the job done as long as you stay with 5.5" thin foam pads.

In my how-to book I recommend for people brand new to machine polishing to go with the 5.5" Lake Country Flat pads and they are pretty much Bubba-proof and because they are open cell they offer better/more tensile strength so they will last longer and because they are open cell they will wash and rinse easier for re-use.


No matter which dual action polisher you buy none of them come with a 5" backing plate so I cover this in my how-to book and also in this article.


5 inch Backing Plates on Meguiar's, Griot's and Porter Cable DA Polishers


Here's some pictures showing the size of different backing plates on the popular Meguiar's Griot's and Porter Cable DA Polishers.

The Griot's and Meguiar's DA Polishers come with 6" backing plates and the Porter Cable by itself does not come with a backing plate.

If you want to use 5.5" foam pads on any of these tools you'll need to remember to order a separate backing plate when your order your polishers.


From left to right...

Factory Griot's 6" BP, Lake Country 5" BP, Meguiar's 5" BP and 5" Black Heavy Duty BP
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The above is just a portion of the article, I include links to the store for whatever you decide to go with in all my articles just to note.

In my how-to book I also cover hook-n-loop designs, the jist of that conversation is to choose a backing plate made by the company you're going to buy foam pads from so the hook matches the loop.

So if you go with Lake Country pads then get a Lake Country backing plate.



Hope the above helps and welcome to the forum... nice Caddy...


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steveiguess said:
Thank you for the reply. Looks like I may be going with that kit. Now I am trying to decide if I want the fuzion wax or the pinnacle sovern carnuba. lol. Too many choices. I used to just use the gold class McGuires and I always like how that turned out.
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The Souveran is more of a show car wax while Fuzion is a Hybrid of Carnauba and Polymers that should last longer.
 
parttimer said:
I love me some V, was my first pick until I realized I didn't fit in one! TSR is an outstanding product, go with the hydro tech tangerine to start like ^^ said. I believe GM's are notorious for HARD paint so you may need to drop down to cyan to get more cut. Its just ME, and probably many other people out there, but I would go with a GG unit not the PC.
My process would be wash, and decon, either with nanoskin products or old school clay. I would get the TSR combo, 8 oz pack is more than enough. You can get a free trial of the WGDGPS with your order. I would get hyrdro tech pads, the 5 pad set should last you a long time if your just doing your car.

GG unit:
Griots Garage 6 Inch Random Orbital Polisher

TSR Combo:
Wolfgang 8 oz. Swirl Remover Combo, Wolfgang polishes, total swirl remover, finishing glaze, machine glaze

Free sealant, BTW, a LITTLE goes a LONG way.
Free Sample with your Order

Hydrotech 5 pack of pads:
Lake Country Hydro-Tech Essentials Pad Kit

Many different clay choices out there.

With 15% off and free shipping now is the time!!
Just realized I posted 5.5" pads, so if you go that route get the backing plate. The 5.5" pads are thin profile, better for the GG unit.
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Thank you for your reply. I will be pulling the trigger today, just trying to figure out the best route to go. By hard paint, you essentially mean that it is harder to remove imperfections from the car?
 
steveiguess said:
Thank you for your reply. I will be pulling the trigger today, just trying to figure out the best route to go. By hard paint, you essentially mean that it is harder to remove imperfections from the car?
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Caddies have harder Clear Coat than most, yes that means they take more work to correct.

So you might have to use a more aggressive product pad combo in the correction stage... Like the Uber Compound/Cyan Pad..

The test spot will tell you where to start...

I would go with Uber Compound and the Tangerine pad 1st in the test spot, then move to the Cyan Pad if needed.
 
jankerson said:
Caddies have harder Clear Coat than most, yes that means they take more work to correct.

So you might have to use a more aggressive product pad combo in the correction stage... Like the Uber Compound/Cyan Pad..

The test spot will tell you where to start...

I would go with Uber Compound and the Tangerine pad 1st in the test spot, then move to the Cyan Pad if needed.
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Thank you for all your help. I really do appreciate it.
 
Cool username..assuming you couldn't think of one? lol

Beautiful car! I detailed a 2011 cts-v last year. I used Sonax perfect finish on a white polishing pad to remove small swirls, and topped it with a Black Fire Wet Diamond sealant using a black finishing pad. Car came out great!
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Yes.

Here's a write-up I did recently for a car I buffed out that came in completely swirled-out and filled with water spots. I used the Wolfgang Uber Compound with the Rupes Duetto Prototype before the Rupes Duetto was introduced publicly.

You can use the same Wolfgang Uber Compound followed by the Wolfgang Finishing Glaze, (which is a fine cut polish despite the word "glaze" in the name), and then seal with a wax, sealant or coating.


Look through this thread as I documented very well the before, during and after results with pictures.


Lady in Red - 1986 Porsche - 4-Step Process

Results from Wolfgang Uber Compound

I took these shots after compounding with Uber Compound and BEFORE machine polishing with the Wolfgang Finishing Glaze. To me the paint looked ready to wax...


1986_Porsche_Mike_Phillips_030.jpg


1986_Porsche_Mike_Phillips_031.jpg



I like the Porter Cable with 5.5" LC Flat pads, a lot of guys prefer the Griot's Garage version of the Porter Cable as it does have more power. Both will get the job done as long as you stay with 5.5" thin foam pads.

In my how-to book I recommend for people brand new to machine polishing to go with the 5.5" Lake Country Flat pads and they are pretty much Bubba-proof and because they are open cell they offer better/more tensile strength so they will last longer and because they are open cell they will wash and rinse easier for re-use.


No matter which dual action polisher you buy none of them come with a 5" backing plate so I cover this in my how-to book and also in this article.


5 inch Backing Plates on Meguiar's, Griot's and Porter Cable DA Polishers


Here's some pictures showing the size of different backing plates on the popular Meguiar's Griot's and Porter Cable DA Polishers.

The Griot's and Meguiar's DA Polishers come with 6" backing plates and the Porter Cable by itself does not come with a backing plate.

If you want to use 5.5" foam pads on any of these tools you'll need to remember to order a separate backing plate when your order your polishers.


From left to right...

Factory Griot's 6" BP, Lake Country 5" BP, Meguiar's 5" BP and 5" Black Heavy Duty BP
5inchbackingpatesonDAPs001.jpg



The above is just a portion of the article, I include links to the store for whatever you decide to go with in all my articles just to note.

In my how-to book I also cover hook-n-loop designs, the jist of that conversation is to choose a backing plate made by the company you're going to buy foam pads from so the hook matches the loop.

So if you go with Lake Country pads then get a Lake Country backing plate.



Hope the above helps and welcome to the forum... nice Caddy...


:dblthumb2:
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Thank you sir. It looks like I am going to go with the following. Would you recommend piecing something else together since I am new to the machine polishing? (changing the pads as you previously recommended (bubba proof?) .

Is there added risk using pads such as those included with this kit? I want to be as safe as possible while doing this, to ensure I dont screw the car up lol:buffing:

Wolfgang Porter Cable 7424xp Ultimate Polishing Kit
 
GenesisCoupe said:
Cool username..assuming you couldn't think of one? lol

Beautiful car! I detailed a 2011 cts-v last year. I used Sonax perfect finish on a white polishing pad to remove small swirls, and topped it with a Black Fire Wet Diamond sealant using a black finishing pad. Car came out great!
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I was looking at the black fire stuff it looks pretty cool. Thanks for the comment, I have had this s/n for the past 10 years lol.
 
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