What would sway you to buy American?

[RyeLou]

I won't argue with that. American cars are where you want to be as far as power goes. Well as far as living over here is concerned anyhow. Europe and Australia and even the Middle East have access to some nice cars that some people over here won't ever even hear of.

 

[Strokin04]

It's nothing personal, I guess, but why shop elsewhere if my needs can be meet here in the US?

So what exactly do you feel that is made know would survive a 50 mph rearend collision? Most cars now American and non American can't even survive a 5 mph accident with out having thousand of dollars in damage. Even the people that buy the brick looking suv (H2) that think they are safe will be surprised at the damage they will get from an accident. But, what do you expect when your car is mostly plastic and thin metal. Mike...

 

[Gary Sword]

Well it may not be fair fo me to compare. I have owned only American my whole life. My first '71 big block El Camino was a screamer. Then I discovered Mopar. "70 340 Cuda, (I really wish I still had it) "78 Ramcharger, 88 3/4 ton hauling truck. my '97 4x4 pickup, and my current 300m. I loved them all. very few problems, (except for a lot of rust on the Ramcharger) and transmission on the 4x4 (It was abused before I bought it) Not to mention my Baby, my "23 T altered, 440 big block in front of a powerglide, and a Ford 9" rear. There is no feeling in the world like going from 0 to 100 in 5 seconds. (Unless you can do it faster) and It's only done with American horsepower. I love it...

I'm not here to bash American Cars but the fastest production cars in the world are not made in America.

 

[moparman363]

I'm not here to bash American Cars but the fastest production cars in the world are not made in America.

But the fastest production cars in the world don't put up very good 1/4 mile times,by drag racing standards. Drag racing is my first love, and will always be a mistress. In the crowd I run with, "Real race cars don't turn corners"

 

[Strokin04]

I won't argue with that. American cars are where you want to be as far as power goes. Well as far as living over here is concerned anyhow. Europe and Australia and even the Middle East have access to some nice cars that some people over here won't ever even hear of.

If Ford would only bring to the US some of the rear wheeldrive V8 cars that they offer in Australia I could only imagine that sales would go up for them. But, noooo what does Ford do they are going to do away with the Australian line. Mike...

 

[Strokin04]

But the fastest production cars in the world don't put up very good 1/4 mile times,by drag racing standards. Drag racing is my first love, and will always be a mistress. In the crowd I run with, "Real race cars don't turn corners"

But, the cars you listed off which are all really nice are not still in production today. The American muscle cars that are in production today are now limited to a few unlike in the 60's and 70's. Mike...

 

[moparman363]

But, the cars you listed off which are all really nice are not still in production today. The American muscle cars that are in production today are now limited to a few unlike in the 60's and 70's. Mike...

You are absolutely correct, but things are getting much better. The new Mustang, Challenger, and Camaro are showing signs that the old "Horsepower wars" are returning. Thankfully...

 

[Surfer]

If Ford would only bring to the US some of the rear wheeldrive V8 cars that they offer in Australia I could only imagine that sales would go up for them. But, noooo what does Ford do they are going to do away with the Australian line. Mike...

Agree, Ford thinks backasswards and I'm a Ford guy. I guarentee if they offered their Aussie line here poeple would go nutz compared to the Fushion, bloated Ford 500 etc. Some of the sedans even offered a manual trans and version of the last gen 5.4 Cobra R block...I mean who wouldn't want that car lol.

And now they sold Aston Martin, somehow the company that can't fix itself, manages to fix other companies it owns. Aston was barely alive when Ford took over and almost bankrupt, they turned that company around, the cars are perfect, ripping exhaust notes, pure sex on wheels styling both exterior and interior etc. The new owners are still impressed by the current Ford based engine blocks that they said their sticking with them and expanding from there. Jaguar was turned around, Ford/BWM did a great job for Land Rover, as well as Mazda and Volvo.

What do we get, a Shelby GT that weighs more then some small suv's that they say can run with a ZO6 or Viper....go to Sebring, go to VIR, Road Atlanta etc, and watched how bad the Shelby GT will get whupped on track by either of those, I'm talking a slaughter.

Yet they can't fix themselves......

 

[Strokin04]

I love the new Mustang and can't wait to see the new Camaro ripping up the pavement. I just hope that this trend for "American Muscle" continues because not everyone can afford a Corvette or Viper. I do not like that the Charger is not a two door like the orginals but, atleast Dodge did right in keeping it rearwheel and V8 powered. Mike...

 

[Surfer]

I love the new Mustang and can't wait to see the new Camaro ripping up the pavement. I just hope that this trend for "American Muscle" continues because not everyone can afford a Corvette or Viper. Mike...

Screw the Stang or Camaro, if that Challenger comes out like it looks in concept form.....that baby is being parked in my driveway

 

[moparman363]

I love the new Mustang and can't wait to see the new Camaro ripping up the pavement. I just hope that this trend for "American Muscle" continues because not everyone can afford a Corvette or Viper. I do not like that the Charger is not a two door like the orginals but, atleast Dodge did right in keeping it rearwheel and V8 powered. Mike...

I agree Mike. Just remember, If you buy it... They will build it. With good numbers, there will be more on the way. Maybe restyled Road Runner's, Torino's, and Chevelle's. I think the future may be bright.

 

[Strokin04]

I do own a mustang but, your and my views of what a car should be are not what the American market wants right now. The market now is geared towards econo-micro machine crap carts that supposedly get 60 mpg. This we all owe a big thanks to the Hollywood hypocrites that buy these hybrids because of the environment (which the media feeds on and the public follow like sheep) but, fly in private jets all over and have big houses that are not so environmentally friendly. Mike...

 

[Surfer]

I do own a mustang but, your and my views of what a car should be are not what the American market wants right now.

Or me, I want my cars raw, no traction control, no navigation, no anti yaw, no save your butt gizmo's, no cup holders no sun roof (curse Porsche for making this standard on the GT3 now).........must have been the way I was raised.....I don't think the American market agrees with me.

 

[moparman363]

I do own a mustang but, your and my views of what a car should be are not what the American market wants right now. The market now is geared towards econo-micro machine crap carts that supposedly get 60 mpg. This we all owe a big thanks to the Hollywood hypocrites that buy these hybrids because of the environment but, fly in private jets all over and have big houses that are not so environmentally friendly. Mike...

Once again I agree with you Mike, but as soon as some of these folks are sitting at the stop light in their Prius, and one of the new muscle cars are rumbling next to them, their hearst will beat faster, they'll have sweat on their palms, and they're going to pull in to the next dealership they see and start looking for something hot. I think the musclecar is too ingrained in the American psyche to ever surrender to an econobox.
Long live the musclecar :awesome:

 

[moparman363]

Or me, I want my cars raw, no traction control, no navigation, no anti yaw, no save your butt gizmo's, no cup holders no sun roof (curse Porsche for making this standard on the GT3 now).........must have been the way I was raised.....I don't think the American market agrees with me.

Traction control is a posi rear end, and who needs a nav. system... I can see the next stoplight. LOL

 

[paivag]

I'd say design and quality will have to improve dramatically. Two things that domestic manufacturers don't have patience for. I wish they start looking at the long term and focus on what people want. Just wait till China begins importing cars here.

 

[tonyspop]

I own a 2003 Honda,2007 silverado,and a 1991 winter beater ford 150,no real major problems out of any of the three.Bought the f150 new.The gap has narrowed but Domestic producers need to improve quality first.The big three got greedy without competition till the foreign market showed up.Too many bigwigs with the golden parachute syndrome.Michael Douglass' in the movie"Wall Street","Greed is Good".

 

[supercharged]

I'll be honest, I like Domestic trucks and SUVs, but not a big fan of domestic cars. I hate Cavalier, it's just looks wierd to me. Same goes for Saturn. It reminds me of cat garfield in a comic section of local newspaper. Same goes for interior. Corvette and Cadillac is a different story. Lincoln is very nice too. Chryslers looks very nice too.I'll be honest, I don't want my car to looks ugly after 5 years. There are some weird imports as well. Scion xB, all little Toyotas fall in the same "cavalier" category.
Just my $0.02.

 

[Gary Sword]

But the fastest production cars in the world don't put up very good 1/4 mile times,by drag racing standards. Drag racing is my first love, and will always be a mistress. In the crowd I run with, "Real race cars don't turn corners"

I like Drag Racing. I use to go to the Detroit Dragway when I was a kid all the time. I would have to respectfully disagree with your "Real race cars don't turn corners" statement. Turning corners is what real racing is all about. If you can't even turn a corner is it really a car

Sorry about getting off subject Lone Star.

 

[moparman363]

I like Drag Racing. I use to go to the Detroit Dragway when I was a kid all the time. I would have to respectfully disagree with your "Real race cars don't turn corners" statement. Turning corners is what real racing is all about. If you can't even turn a corner is it really a car

Sorry about getting off subject Lone Star.

It all boils down to "what turns you on" The old slogan "Win on Sunday... sell on Monday" used to ring true, and in the U.S. it came down to ground pounding horsepower.
In Europe, the land of heavily populated, narrow, twisting roads, handling was at a premium.
Unfortunately race cars at the highest levels have evolved so far away from what is available in the showroom, they have lost most of their marketing value.
Horsepower has become very expensive. Cars have become more difficult to modify. We have become more dependent on the manufacturers to provide our excitement. As soon as the new muscle cars become more affordable on the used market, I believe there will be a resurgence of the old horsepower wars. Long live American muscle !!!