What's everyone's thoughts on the Covid-19 situation?

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I'm going in for my second shot to then be covered from C19 this week i have put off getting the vaccine long enough as i live on a island it's controllable because we can lock out people from flying or sailing in.

My mum is a veteran nurse of 13 year's and had to care for the dying last year i could tell some stories but i won't, the whole lock down thing does not get to me to bad because of the semi rural living and the freedom to walk around the property.

My older brother is very anti vaccine but i'm doing my bit to help get the country back to how it was.

Stay safe out there boy's and girl's.
 
Tasmania said:
I'm going in for my second shot to then be covered from C19 this week i have put off getting the vaccine long enough as i live on a island it's controllable because we can lock out people from flying or sailing in.

My mum is a veteran nurse of 13 year's and had to care for the dying last year i could tell some stories but i won't, the whole lock down thing does not get to me to bad because of the semi rural living and the freedom to walk around the property.

My older brother is very anti vaccine but i'm doing my bit to help get the country back to how it was.

Stay safe out there boy's and girl's.
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Are you getting Pfizer or AZ?

I got AZ, about 8 hours after the first dose, I got muscle aches, a fever, felt really tired, I even got the shivers, 8 hours later it was all gone. Had no side effects from the second dose.

My brother isn't anti vaccination, more what you'd call hesitant. He wanted to wait for Pfizer, then delta came along, and they've rushed it all through. He's waiting for his second dose of Pfizer now, so he's still under the stay at home order. I can't wait to see if he gets the side effects that the second Pfizer dose is known for. All this and he's a university associate professor, some seemingly intelligent people can be so dumb.

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Some food for thought...ive gathered that there is no specific test for the delta variant or any others. You are only told if you have SARS-CoV-2.

To test specifically for individual variants, it is supposedly sent out to certain labs which study the genome sequencing. I'd imagine its not done for every positive covid test....just trust the numbers and the science i guess, from the same person who said all kids should go out and celebrate trick or treat this year.

Couple weeks ago was told we all might not to be able to see family for christmas. So lost don't know what to believe....the real world or the science?:dunno::dunno:

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Big Dave said:
Are you getting Pfizer or AZ?

I got AZ, about 8 hours after the first dose, I got muscle aches, a fever, felt really tired, I even got the shivers, 8 hours later it was all gone. Had no side effects from the second dose.

My brother isn't anti vaccination, more what you'd call hesitant. He wanted to wait for Pfizer, then delta came along, and they've rushed it all through. He's waiting for his second dose of Pfizer now, so he's still under the stay at home order. I can't wait to see if he gets the side effects that the second Pfizer dose is known for. All this and he's a university associate professor, some seemingly intelligent people can be so dumb.

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I'm getting the Pfizer first shot my arm hurt and had cold and flu like symptoms for 4 day's after, My brother is a little brain washed with all the other nonsense that he gets from morning tv shows and fb, dad has the AZ no side effects at all and mum has the Pfizer which she got back in March of this year being a front line worker.

Tomorrow 2:45 is the jab time i did find it a little strange with the nurse said take down your pants....joking =)
 
Tasmania said:
I'm getting the Pfizer first shot my arm hurt and had cold and flu like symptoms for 4 day's after, My brother is a little brain washed with all the other nonsense that he gets from morning tv shows and fb, dad has the AZ no side effects at all and mum has the Pfizer which she got back in March of this year being a front line worker.

Tomorrow 2:45 is the jab time i did find it a little strange with the nurse said take down your pants....joking =)
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Brain washed.....?
 
I spoke to this guy a couple of months ago, he's in his seventies, I go past his house most days when I'm walking my dogs. He was complaining how many people were out during the lockdown. I told him it was because one of the only things you are allowed out for is exercise, and since a lot of people weren't considered essential workers, they were at home, and bored. I told him I was double vaccinated, and he took a few steps back, said he didn't want to catch anything off me. This guy on the internet told him not to get vaccinated, that the vaccine will actually give you Covid, and that the only reason doctors are doing it is because they are getting paid by the government. He told me to go check out the website. I explained to him the reason the guy wants to everyone to go to the website is because he gets paid by Google for clicks, because of the advertising. I told him to count the ads on each page. He said that's different, because it's no the government paying him. I asked to go and see his doctor, to listen to the other side of the discussion, no dice, he doesn't trust them, but he'll trust some random dude.


I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but here's something to think about, what if all the vaccine and pandemic disinformation comes from China, Russia, Iran, or even North Korea, someone with an incentive to slow down or even wreck Western economies, because either they know they can't compete fairly, or just don't care about playing dirty. We already know that they know how to influence those not paying attention.

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I was talking to my brother in law and he heard that people that get the vaccine only have a 3-4 year life expectancy after getting the shot. I told him that we haven't been around long enough to come up with numbers like that. Then I tried to explain to him that the vaccine doesn't modify our DNA. And if long term effects were really bad, why do we need a booster? I also told him they've been working on mRNA research since the 60s, which coincidentally is also when the first coronavirus was identified. And then he brought up the old tracker in the arm and I told him the technology doesn't exist and why would they need to do it when you carry a tracker with you everywhere and share way too much information on Facebook and Google.

It is a shame any random person can become an influencer to get attention and money but people that spent years going to school and even longer working hard are completely ignored for their expertise. And too many of the public are easily influenced.
 
I'll add my $.02.

I think they are pushing it too hard...offering bribes for getting it, threatening your livelihood if you don't get the shot (get vaccinated or get fired), mandates to get vaccinated etc. I feel they are telling people "It's good for you, get the shot...OR ELSE." My mother got the vaccination, so did my wife and kids. My dad refuses and I am VERY leery. If they would have come out with the vaccine and simply said "We have a vaccine and it may help in stopping the spread of C-19, we recommend people get vaccinated, especially those in the high-risk categories." AND LEFT IT AT THAT, then there would be a lot less resistance from people to get vaccinated.

The "Ask you, tell you, FORCE you" progression of those in charge doesn't sit well with me, I'm very stubborn. Ask me, or suggest that I do something and I most likely will, TELL me, or threaten me and good luck.
 
Only thing I feel comfortable adding is, I am extremely sad in the direction our society is heading.
 
Don M said:
I'll add my $.02.

I think they are pushing it too hard...offering bribes for getting it, threatening your livelihood if you don't get the shot (get vaccinated or get fired), mandates to get vaccinated etc. I feel they are telling people "It's good for you, get the shot...OR ELSE." My mother got the vaccination, so did my wife and kids. My dad refuses and I am VERY leery. If they would have come out with the vaccine and simply said "We have a vaccine and it may help in stopping the spread of C-19, we recommend people get vaccinated, especially those in the high-risk categories." AND LEFT IT AT THAT, then there would be a lot less resistance from people to get vaccinated.

The "Ask you, tell you, FORCE you" progression of those in charge doesn't sit well with me, I'm very stubborn. Ask me, or suggest that I do something and I most likely will, TELL me, or threaten me and good luck.
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I think categorising a vaccine mandate as a threat is incorrect, but I haven't seen the same public service announcements, news, or work place emails you have. To me it's more about work place safety, and avoiding liability too, possibly. I used to work in a warehouse, if I refused to wear steel capped safety boots, I didn't get to work, even though they were uncomfortable, and they made my feet sore. If didn't have a forklift licence, no driving the forklift. Certain people weren't allowed in the warehouse, for their own safety, and faced dismissal if they disobeyed, they never followed through on this threat though. These are all safety and liability issues as well.

There are immuno-compromised people out there who can't be vaccinated, they need those who can be vaccinated to have it done. When you're vaccinated, you're far less likely to get it, and if you do, your viral load is significantly reduced, meaning you're less likely to pass it on. And just because you can still get it when you're vaccinated, doesn't mean it isn't worth doing. You will also stand a much better chance of staying out of hospital, and especially intensive care. These are facts.

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How are they being brain washed?

Brain washed into thinking what?
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Who are they? My brother not they he is a little brain washed with morning tv hosts and way to much fb experts telling this and that about C19 he is on the fence about getting the vax as i was saying to another member, But he will if he wants to travel.
 
Big Dave said:
I think categorising a vaccine mandate as a threat is incorrect, but I haven't seen the same public service announcements, news, or work place emails you have. To me it's more about work place safety, and avoiding liability too, possibly. I used to work in a warehouse, if I refused to wear steel capped safety boots, I didn't get to work, even though they were uncomfortable, and they made my feet sore. If didn't have a forklift licence, no driving the forklift. Certain people weren't allowed in the warehouse, for their own safety, and faced dismissal if they disobeyed, they never followed through on this threat though. These are all safety and liability issues as well.

There are immuno-compromised people out there who can't be vaccinated, they need those who can be vaccinated to have it done. When you're vaccinated, you're far less likely to get it, and if you do, your viral load is significantly reduced, meaning you're less likely to pass it on. And just because you can still get it when you're vaccinated, doesn't mean it isn't worth doing. You will also stand a much better chance of staying out of hospital, and especially intensive care. These are facts.

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It's a power and money grab. Schools, businesses, etc. are being used to enforce it. Follow the money. School boards are being coerced to mandate masks and colleges vaccines. Not all will comply and kudos to them. Governors are keeping their emergency orders in place to garner more federal money yet they've shut down all emergency backup hospitals, etc., and are opening up. If life is normal then there shouldn't be an emergecy status in place. Liability is all but a pen-stroke away. It's rather ironic that since the rollout of the vaxes, the gov't has no responsibility or liability, the manufacturers have no responsibility liability, a business forcing it upon their workers isn't responsible for problems nor liable either, yet if a person doesn't want it THEY are the ones who are irresponsible? Sorry but that's the definition of hypocrisy.

Your point about safety is only partially valid. The risks for steel boots in those scenarios are situationally different. The overall risks of covid for the masses of working-age folks are very low. Immuno-compromised people are nothing new either. The number of them per year simply from cancer treatments is Huge and they've been fine for decades. Even a common cold can kill them but yet life for the rest of us has gone on without issue. This time it's about power and money and the tightening of the reigns on society. I'm proud of SW Airlines and those resisting. I'm also very surprised it hasn't gone to the courts.
 
TTQ B4U said:
It's a power and money grab. Schools, businesses, etc. are being used to enforce it. Follow the money. School boards are being coerced to mandate masks and colleges vaccines. Not all will comply and kudos to them. Governors are keeping their emergency orders in place to garner more federal money yet they've shut down all emergency backup hospitals, etc., and are opening up. If life is normal then there shouldn't be an emergecy status in place. Liability is all but a pen-stroke away. It's rather ironic that since the rollout of the vaxes, the gov't has no responsibility or liability, the manufacturers have no responsibility liability, a business forcing it upon their workers isn't responsible for problems nor liable either, yet if a person doesn't want it THEY are the ones who are irresponsible? Sorry but that's the definition of hypocrisy.

Your point about safety is only partially valid. The risks for steel boots in those scenarios are situationally different. The overall risks of covid for the masses of working-age folks are very low. Immuno-compromised people are nothing new either. The number of them per year simply from cancer treatments is Huge and they've been fine for decades. Even a common cold can kill them but yet life for the rest of us has gone on without issue. This time it's about power and money and the tightening of the reigns on society. I'm proud of SW Airlines and those resisting. I'm also very surprised it hasn't gone to the courts.
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I'm on this guy's team
 
I can't really comment on what's happening over there. But over here we didn't see the federal government give money to the states quite so much, they gave money directly to companies, to keep workers employed, even if they had to stay home for a while, due to lockdown. They also doubled the unemployment benefit for the majority of last year, and reduced it in steps as things opened up. They didn't increase it with this latest lockdown though, it only really affected to states.

On the lockdown though, it has been effective. I live in the most populace state, New South Wales, with a population of 8.2 million. They started by locking down parts of Sydney, the capital, then all of greater Sydney, and eventually the whole state. This started when the Delta variant arrived, the peak arrived at around the 7 week mark, we were getting just over 1600 cases a day, with 10 - 15 deaths. Our vaccination rate was slow, before Delta most people weren't worried. The state government said when we hit 70% double dosed, we'll start to open up, which happened on Monday. Our cases today were down to 366, with 5 deaths. The freedoms given on Monday were only for the double vaccinated. The unvaccinated, or single dosed can still go out, but only for essential shopping, excersize, medical appointments, or if they're an essential worker. All non essential businesses will be checking vaccine status at the door. And I'm happy with that.

And I bet Tassie is happy his state has no cases, and they're stopping all the 'festy' mainlanders from coming over. I do wish I was down there though.

I really can't comment on what's happening over there, I can only tell you what's happening here, and what's working for us.

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Big Dave said:
  • The freedoms given on Monday were only for the double vaccinated. The unvaccinated, or single dosed can still go out, but only for essential shopping, excersize, medical appointments, or if they're an essential worker.
  • All non essential businesses will be checking vaccine status at the door. And I'm happy with that.
  • I really can't comment on what's happening over there, I can only tell you what's happening here, and what's working for us.
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The above are so extreme I can't even comment. Freedoms Given.....WOW! Vaccine status checks......hard pass. Some far liberal cities here are trying it but I don't foresee it gaining ground. Anyplace doing that will lose my business for quite a while if not for good. The whole "papers please"....ah....no. This isn't Germany circa 1930's.

We are certainly in trying times and different cultures are handling things so different that the studies from this will tell a story for sure.
 
TTQ B4U said:
The above are so extreme I can't even comment. Freedoms Given.....WOW! Vaccine status checks......hard pass. Some far liberal cities here are trying it but I don't foresee it gaining ground. Anyplace doing that will lose my business for quite a while if not for good. The whole "papers please"....ah....no. This isn't Germany circa 1930's.

We are certainly in trying times and different cultures are handling things so different that the studies from this will tell a story for sure.
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I agree with this. They are also creating further isolation for people who haven't been able to socialize or have family and friends and use public places for that. Additionally, asking for vaccination status is no different than discrimination over color.

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The people in charge are the problem. Everything they do is in an attempt to stay in charge. None of them care about what the people really want. Trump opened his big mouth and lied in all regards with this virus, then proceeded to politicize how we all deal with it. There likely wouldn't even have been mandates from the very beginning, if the politicians on both sides were truthful about it all. Or if there were restrictions or mandates, they would have been very brief and have been more of a time for everyone to make adjustments to how people and companies do things. If both sides had gotten together from the beginning, this pandemic would have been a much different experience for everyone.
 
TTQ B4U said:
It's a power and money grab. Schools, businesses, etc. are being used to enforce it. Follow the money. School boards are being coerced to mandate masks and colleges vaccines. Not all will comply and kudos to them. Governors are keeping their emergency orders in place to garner more federal money yet they've shut down all emergency backup hospitals, etc., and are opening up. If life is normal then there shouldn't be an emergecy status in place. Liability is all but a pen-stroke away. It's rather ironic that since the rollout of the vaxes, the gov't has no responsibility or liability, the manufacturers have no responsibility liability, a business forcing it upon their workers isn't responsible for problems nor liable either, yet if a person doesn't want it THEY are the ones who are irresponsible? Sorry but that's the definition of hypocrisy.

Your point about safety is only partially valid. The risks for steel boots in those scenarios are situationally different. The overall risks of covid for the masses of working-age folks are very low. Immuno-compromised people are nothing new either. The number of them per year simply from cancer treatments is Huge and they've been fine for decades. Even a common cold can kill them but yet life for the rest of us has gone on without issue. This time it's about power and money and the tightening of the reigns on society. I'm proud of SW Airlines and those resisting. I'm also very surprised it hasn't gone to the courts.
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I agree with much of what you say and other things I don’t as is standard in discussions and with topics that aren’t easy with black and white answers.

One thing I’ll point out is doctors and scientists have no training for dealing with the assault on science and data. Doctors used to have it pretty easy with patients and at most patients might get a second or even third opinion. Now patients are questioning everything and often not believing their doctor anymore. Questioning wouldn’t be bad if they weren’t getting their facts from Facebook or worse. But there are people just trying to get their names in the headlines as any publicity is good publicity and good for their bottom line. And there are definitely companies benefiting from what is going on but I think it is the individuals that are more focused on using this to their benefit. And because of these people, doctors now have to try to convince their patients of what they should do while fighting all sorts of misinformation and propaganda. When have doctors ever had to have discussions with their patients on whether they should take a horse pill for a human condition?

So one very real issue are that those supporting vaccines don’t know how to deal with the disinformation that comes from every side.

And as Azure stated, the political infighting keeps everyone from focusing on the real issues that we could tackle and address if the people were united. But the infighting most definitely benefits those already in power, regardless of which side of the aisle you’re on.
 
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