What's everyone's thoughts on the Covid-19 situation?

[opie2]

No but my gf is Korean and her mom goes back there quite often. If the folks that whine about wearing a mask had a backbone, they'd suck it up and wear one if it's required by that private business. Or leave.

Thats cool, ive honestly never been to either places.

And yeah wow! how interesting it is that your statement sounds just like what i suppose was told to people back in the days of segregation! Your not this skin color or race so leave!

Im honestly not turning this about racism, because i truly don't care what color or race you are, You are a human and thats it.

Just think about how those two sinarious actually are simialar if you just swap race/color for vaxxed/unvaxxed or masked/unmasked

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[CleanIT]

LOL I'm not sure it's cool but its something I noticed that they do.

In all seriousness, people are free to do what they want until they're not. I'm not for a vax mandate and I can't control what private businesses do. To each their own. I'm going to go back to detailing posts.

I hope everyone has a safe and happy holiday. Peace. :xyxthumbs:

 

[opie2]

LOL I'm not sure it's cool but its something I noticed that they do.

In all seriousness, people are free to do what they want until they're not. I'm not for a vax mandate and I can't control what private businesses do. To each their own. I'm going to go back to detailing posts.

I hope everyone has a safe and happy holiday. Peace. :xyxthumbs:

Lol agreed. Happy holidays.

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[VISITOR]

Oh shitt, do you live in asia? I always wondered the true reasons they wear them

masks in South Korea and Japan (just to name a few countries) are nothing new. well before the whole covid situation, people have been wearing them (among other precautions) when they are sick (not feeling well) if they have to go out in public to help minimize spreading it. it's out of consideration/respect for others. not so much here in the USA...

 

[TTQ B4U]

masks in South Korea and Japan (just to name a few countries) are nothing new. well before the whole covid situation, people have been wearing them (among other precautions) when they are sick (not feeling well) if they have to go out in public to help minimize spreading it. it's out of consideration/respect for others. not so much here in the USA...

and IMO it's also a customer they can keep. My BIL is from Japan and he's fine with it as he's a pretty mellow easy going guy who grew up with masks when sickness was bad. However, he also group up in a city of nearly 13-14M (Tokyo) and has a far greater density than anywhere here, especially where we live in Ohio or even him in Oregon. Thus why I refuse to mask up. I'm done with that and many of us here are. People are done trying to enforce it too. That's not our culture and not a culture I want nor embrace.

It's not IMO a matter of respect or disrespect, it's just one of not being necessary. I work in a lab where we require various masks and usually respirators and have been through countless training directly from 3M and the efficacy of surgical masks against viruses is negligible anyway. Even the MD's in my family kinda laugh at it. They basically function like a kleenex if you sneeze but for normal tidal breathing, the virus if you are shedding is still getting out into the surrounding air. Surgical masks are not filtration devices, just deflectors. If my sister-in-law (an MD) has a cold, she doesn't operate, period; mask or no mask, she reschedules the proceedure. I'm not about to walk around breathing in my own air feeling like I have a stuffy nose or cold to appease someone else with no real benefit to be seen.

 

[VISITOR]

and IMO it's also a customer they can keep. My BIL is from Japan and he's fine with it as he's a pretty mellow easy going guy who grew up with masks when sickness was bad. However, he also group up in a city of nearly 13-14M (Tokyo) and has a far greater density than anywhere here, especially where we live in Ohio or even him in Oregon. Thus why I refuse to mask up. I'm done with that and many of us here are. People are done trying to enforce it too. That's not our culture and not a culture I want nor embrace.

It's not IMO a matter of respect or disrespect, it's just one of not being necessary. I work in a lab where we require various masks and usually respirators and have been through countless training directly from 3M and the efficacy of surgical masks against viruses is negligible anyway. Even the MD's in my family kinda laugh at it. They basically function like a kleenex if you sneeze but for normal tidal breathing, the virus if you are shedding is still getting out into the surrounding air. Surgical masks are not filtration devices, just deflectors. If my sister-in-law (an MD) has a cold, she doesn't operate, period; mask or no mask, she reschedules the proceedure. I'm not about to walk around breathing in my own air feeling like I have a stuffy nose or cold to appease someone else with no real benefit to be seen.

everyone has their own opinions and feelings with any subject of a matter. you gotta do whatever is in the best interest (and what you believe) of you and your family...

stay safe everyone and happy holidays! :dblthumb2:

 

[opie2]

everyone has their own opinions and feelings with any subject of a matter. you gotta do whatever is in the best interest (and what you believe) of you and your family...

Holy chit what is this common sense your speaking!



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[dgage]

Holy chit what is this common sense your speaking!

Because he doesn’t disagree with you? I never see anyone complaining about the news source when it agrees with their viewpoint.

 

[dgage]

As some reasonable people have been pushing, there isn’t one thing that can be done, multiple things should be done. When we make plans, we have contingencies. When the military is developing an offensive or defensive, they have multiple layers to ensure success.

Last year’s lack off a flu season was due to multiple reasons:
* Not as many people in school and work
* Not as many people in confined spaces
* People with fevers not allowed into certain places
* Some people not going out when they feel sick
* Focus on improved cleaning practices
* Focus on better ventilation
* Greatly reduced hand shakes
* And yes masks (which could help with short trips indoors; useless for more than a few minutes in the same space)

 

[Klasse Act]

I wear my mask everywhere, except in my car, while walking and at home

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[dgage]

I wear my mask everywhere, except in my car, while walking and at home

You're a better man than me then. I don't wear one at all anymore unless a particular location requires it.

I respect TTQ B4U's viewpoint. He simply states that mask wearing isn't a policy he's willing to embrace. Either you agree or disagree but that is his personal opinion. Opinions can be discussed but they aren't yes or no.

My issue is with those that say something doesn't work at all, which is BS. Even masks, in their limited way work. Even TTQ B4U said masks don't really work but then he brings up tidal breathing, which is where they do work in limited locations and limited timeframes.

So for me it is simply how some people have disingenuously tried to shift their opinion by giving absolutes. The vaccines don't work. Masks don't work. Social distancing doesn't work. Last year's flu season shows some of these solutions absolutely do work. However, I agree with others that I would rather live with a flu season than change our lifestyles that drastically. But there are some things we could do to improve our annual bout with flu that might help quite a bit while not changing our lifestyles much but only time will tell what those are and what will be implemented in our society.

 

[opie2]

Because he doesn’t disagree with you? I never see anyone complaining about the news source when it agrees with their viewpoint.

I call it like it is, common sense

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[dgage]

I call it like it is, common sense

If only it were common and if only it were used more.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

Thats cool, ive honestly never been to either places.

And yeah wow! how interesting it is that your statement sounds just like what i suppose was told to people back in the days of segregation! Your not this skin color or race so leave!

Im honestly not turning this about racism, because i truly don't care what color or race you are, You are a human and thats it.

Just think about how those two sinarious actually are simialar if you just swap race/color for vaxxed/unvaxxed or masked/unmasked

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Lol….. you must do Yoga cuz that’s a stretch. Not similar at all.

Totally different keeping someone out because the color of there skin and someone who doesn’t care if they protect the workers or other patron’s from a disease that most scientists seem a little worried about.

Walking around a different race doesn’t harm anyone but walking around with a possible disease that could actually harm someone?

I’m all about the second amendment and live in an open carry state. Business can ask that either don’t bring a gun into there establishment or don’t do business there.

That’s fine and i’m not selfish enough to think it’s the same as being a racist.

This would be more comparable as the business see’s it has a possible threat to there customers or workers.


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[Coatingsarecrack]

masks in South Korea and Japan (just to name a few countries) are nothing new. well before the whole covid situation, people have been wearing them (among other precautions) when they are sick (not feeling well) if they have to go out in public to help minimize spreading it. it's out of consideration/respect for others. not so much here in the USA...

Also for those nations have bad air quality and most think it helps. I don’t know if it does or doesn’t


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[TTQ B4U]

Even TTQ B4U said masks don't really work but then he brings up tidal breathing, which is where they do work in limited locations and limited timeframes.

Meh on the tidal breathing. Airflow out of a surgical mask still occurs just the same and the virus along with each breath. The only advantage to situations like that are based on breathing rates and exhales to build up enough viral load to fill air enough to infect those around you or walking by. That's where social distancing really comes in but not the mask. The center image here is a tidal breath exhale from a vape pen which was used to make the breath visible.

Keep in mind the moisture being emitted here is also far LARGER in partial size than a virus thus if this looks bad, think about smaller vapor particles laden with virus aka regular breath. Wear them if you like but don't think for a minute it's saving the guy next to you at all as it's not. it's saving them from a direct breath but the goods in that breath are coming out as these are not respirators or filtration devices. Just kleenex to save you from a spit talker. Me, I've always kept a larger personal space to avoid them. If I can "smell" your garlic or coffee....you're too close. Honestly, I've quite confident that's why I've yet to get covid.


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So for me it is simply how some people have disingenuously tried to shift their opinion by giving absolutes. The vaccines don't work. Masks don't work. Social distancing doesn't work. Last year's flu season shows some of these solutions absolutely do work. However, I agree with others that I would rather live with a flu season than change our lifestyles that drastically. But there are some things we could do to improve our annual bout with flu that might help quite a bit while not changing our lifestyles much but only time will tell what those are and what will be implemented in our society.

well stated. absolutes are often used as a way of people "emphasizing" their point. in text online people tend to exaggerate to make a point and that IMO is what I see a lot of happening in discussions like this. no doubt some will adopt those changes to their lifestyles going forward, but IMO those changes are for us as individuals to make. Our liberty and freedom to choose to live as we do don't change based on those around us and what they fear. Those in opposition tend to say the same in turn but then the two schools of thought combined show we as individuals choose and are more responsible for our own health than those around us. I don't go asking anyone around me to put down peanuts or not sell or eat them or to carry an epi-pen to save me or my son. THat's not the responsibility of anyone but us. I believe the same is true for covid.

 

[PaulMys]

Wear a mask, don't wear a mask.

Get a shot, don't get a shot.

Who gives a rats ass??

People are going to do whatever they feel like doing, period.

 

[dgage]

Also for those nations have bad air quality and most think it helps. I don’t know if it does or doesn’t

Based on the limited reading I’ve done, N95 or KN95 masks do block most pollution particulates. I’m sure there are some smaller particulates that get through as do smaller virus molecules. But they do filter out and reduce the amount of pollution particles entering the respiratory system so they are protecting their lungs SOME.

 

[Klasse Act]

You're a better man than me then. I don't wear one at all anymore unless a particular location requires it.

I respect TTQ B4U's viewpoint. He simply states that mask wearing isn't a policy he's willing to embrace. Either you agree or disagree but that is his personal opinion. Opinions can be discussed but they aren't yes or no.

My issue is with those that say something doesn't work at all, which is BS. Even masks, in their limited way work. Even TTQ B4U said masks don't really work but then he brings up tidal breathing, which is where they do work in limited locations and limited timeframes.

So for me it is simply how some people have disingenuously tried to shift their opinion by giving absolutes. The vaccines don't work. Masks don't work. Social distancing doesn't work. Last year's flu season shows some of these solutions absolutely do work. However, I agree with others that I would rather live with a flu season than change our lifestyles that drastically. But there are some things we could do to improve our annual bout with flu that might help quite a bit while not changing our lifestyles much but only time will tell what those are and what will be implemented in our society.

See I'm trying to be respectful in general, not to stir the pot, it's too bad the same courtesy isn't extended to me for my personal reasons for NOT wanting the shot

To me who would be offended by me wearing a mask so I just so it to be respectful but don't take this as a sign of weakness, big mistake️

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[dgage]

Meh on the tidal breathing. Airflow out of a surgical mask still occurs just the same and the virus along with each breath. The only advantage to situations like that are based on breathing rates and exhales to build up enough viral load to fill air enough to infect those around you or walking by. That's where social distancing really comes in but not the mask. The center image here is a tidal breath exhale from a vape pen which was used to make the breath visible.

Right and your pictures show what people have been saying about masks. The concentrations of particles in the air are kept closer to the person. Free air breathing allows those same particles to spread out many more feet. So masks and social distancing can help more than just social distancing.

But I don’t wear masks either at this point because I did my part in getting the vaccines and a booster. My choice and my opinion. I did it for my health and livelihood first and foremost followed by for my family but I also did it to do my part for society. My opinion that is obviously not shared with many. My position is not right or wrong.