When is it acceptable to use a quick detailer?

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Hey

I'm going to a car show Saturday that's about 2 hours away by car. I would like to be there and my car be pretty spotless.

The plan was to clean the car Friday night then park it in the garage until I'm ready to leave. And then when I arrive there, a quick detail around the car.

Now my question is, are quick detailers made for this or quick detailer would be more for much less dirtiness, for example just fingerprints? Also, should I follow up with my usual LSP (beadmaker) after the quick detail? I'm just not to sure where a quick detail sits compared to a waterless wash/rinseless wash.

Also FYI, my quick detailer is optimum no rinse dilluted 1:16.
 
2 hours is a lot of driving for just a quick detailer. Do a waterless wash with ONR since you already have that. Just might be different dilution ratio and technique.
 
ONR dilute it to waterless wash ratios and use that. People ruin their finishes at car shows with detailing spray what is essentially a wash worth of dust.
 
Okay thanks guys, in this case I think I'll just leave it be. I don't want to bring a bucket for a ONR wash. I'm already bringing a BBQ and a big cooler in my coupe so won't have much space lol.
 
Mike Phillips said:
Standard answer,

Light dust
Fingerprints
Smudges


Anything dirtier - use a waterless wash.



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Understood.

But then, a quick detailer on it's own becomes useless if a waterless wash in a bottle exists no? Since the waterless wash will do both safely?
 
TheMidnightNarwhal said:
Understood.

But then, a quick detailer on it's own becomes useless if a waterless wash in a bottle exists no? Since the waterless wash will do both safely?
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In my eyes, good QDs give more pop than WWs. That would be their sole advantage when using on a barely dusted vehicle, or as a drying aid.

WWs are obviously more functional and way cheaper when bought in concentrate.

When it comes to smudge spots, it really doesn’t matter IMO since the little extra bling won’t be noticeable on a small area.
 
acuRAS82 said:
In my eyes, good QDs give more pop than WWs. That would be their sole advantage when using on a barely dusted vehicle, or as a drying aid.

WWs are obviously more functional and way cheaper when bought in concentrate.

When it comes to smudge spots, it really doesn’t matter IMO since the little extra bling won’t be noticeable on a small area.
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But isn't "pop" determined basically by how defect free the paint is and the LSP? How can a quick detailer on it's own provide like, additional visual enhancement other than making the area clean?

Anyway, my car when is cleaned looks amazing as it is. But maybe it's because I always top with the beadmaker! All I really want is to clean it. I might try and fit a bucket somewhere in my car with some ONR...
 
Dont need to fit a bucket. Just have two 16 ounce bottles of ONR diluted for waterless wash. Basically half an ounce per bottle or so. You'll be good to go.

Quick retailers have glossing agents in them that's why they give a pop.
 
WillSports3 said:
Dont need to fit a bucket. Just have two 16 ounce bottles of ONR diluted for waterless wash. Basically half an ounce per bottle or so. You'll be good to go.

Quick retailers have glossing agents in them that's why they give a pop.
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My ONR waterless washes in winter (no water access in winter) are done in a bucket with all my towels soaking in it. How would I do a waterless wash with just spray bottles? Doesn't it go back to being a quick detailer ONR? Also as I write this, technically if the ONR bucket wash dilutio is 1:256 then that means my quick detailer solution of onr at 1:16 is perfectly fine for a spray waterless wash after a 2 hour drive? Or not?

Ah yeah I heard that term gloss agents, always thought it was a "gimmick" or something like that.
 
TheMidnightNarwhal said:
My ONR waterless washes in winter (no water access in winter) are done in a bucket with all my towels soaking in it. How would I do a waterless wash with just spray bottles? Doesn't it go back to being a quick detailer ONR? Also as I write this, technically if the ONR bucket wash dilutio is 1:256 then that means my quick detailer solution of onr at 1:16 is perfectly fine for a spray waterless wash after a 2 hour drive? Or not?

Ah yeah I heard that term gloss agents, always thought it was a "gimmick" or something like that.
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That's rinseless wash, it's safer than waterless wash. But waterless wash is safer than quick detailer wiping. If the car was clean and you drove, in dry weather, to the car meet, waterless wash will be perfectly fine. You just spray the solution directly on the panel and some on the towel and wipe clean, then dry with another towel. No bucket needed, just a handful of towels.
 
BSoares said:
That's rinseless wash, it's safer than waterless wash. But waterless wash is safer than quick detailer wiping. If the car was clean and you drove, in dry weather, to the car meet, waterless wash will be perfectly fine. You just spray the solution directly on the panel and some on the towel and wipe clean, then dry with another towel. No bucket needed, just a handful of towels.
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Okay gotcha. I also think 2 hours ish of dry weather highway isn't gonna dirty the car to much.

Just to confirm though what is the ONR waterless wash dilution? ONR calls the 1:16 a quick detailer solution.
 
Well the half ounce would be 1 to 32. Quick detailer and waterless wash are the same in method of execution but different in the wash solution. Honestly if you're using distilled water, 1 to 32 wont cause you any issues. I wouldnt really call anything to do with onr a quick detailer, it doesnt have the same glossing agents. Perhaps an imitation version or a much safer version. I'm not an expert on ONR, I usually avoid it.
 
WillSports3 said:
Well the half ounce would be 1 to 32. Quick detailer and waterless wash are the same in method of execution but different in the wash solution. Honestly if you're using distilled water, 1 to 32 wont cause you any issues. I wouldnt really call anything to do with onr a quick detailer, it doesnt have the same glossing agents. Perhaps an imitation version or a much safer version. I'm not an expert on ONR, I usually avoid it.
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Yeah, I'm just basing it off the official thread they have here. They say 1:16 is the previous quick detailer they recommended before and now they have a dedicated quick detailer they sell, which they mention offers better performance. That performance aspect might come from the detailer having those gloss enhancements that were talked about here and ONR doesn't.

So that said, I'll bring a bottle of mixture that I had originally planned, 1:16 ratio and go at it. I do agree it feels more of a cleaning solution than quick detailer because they say you can use the 1:16 QD dilution for interior (dash for example) and windows. Worst case scenario it's a one time thing so if a minimal amount of marring happens I'm ok with it.

Thanks everyone for chiming in
 
TheMidnightNarwhal said:
But isn't "pop" determined basically by how defect free the paint is and the LSP? How can a quick detailer on it's own provide like, additional visual enhancement other than making the area clean?

Anyway, my car when is cleaned looks amazing as it is. But maybe it's because I always top with the beadmaker!
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My opinion was based on all things being equal. I try to keep my cars paint in good shape. From that point forward I can compare LSPs, detailers, WWs based on what I see when I apply any of them.

So the QD leaves polymers or wax or whatever on top of your LSP, beyond the cleaning effects (if being used to clean). The same way you think your paint is in good shape and/or Beadmaker keeps it looking nice, I would compare a good QD to leaving a nice shine like Beadmaker. Except the QD will likely only last a few days to a week worth of shine.

WW with gloss enhancers should leave a shine for a similar duration of time, I just don’t think WWs add the icing on the cake look as well as good QDs. That’s all I’m trying to say from my experience.
 
Mike Phillips said:
Standard answer,

Light dust
Fingerprints
Smudges

Anything dirtier - use a waterless wash.
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To add to the above information:

Mike Phillips said:
Note:
While spray detailers are first and foremost
positioned as products for removing light dust,
if used wet or heavy and with good technique,
that can substitute for a high lubricity waterless
wash. Use your own judgment.
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Source:
The difference between a Normal Car Wash, a Waterless Car Wash, a Rinseless Car Wash and a Spray Detailer

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A couple more pertinent (IMO)
reading suggestions:
1.) The terms HEAVY or WET - what they mean?

2.) Tips & Techniques for using a Spray Detailer to Remove Light Dust, Fingerprints and Smudges


Bob
 
FUNX650 said:
Note:
While spray detailers are first and foremost
positioned as products for removing light dust,
if used wet or heavy and with good technique,
that can substitute for a high lubricity waterless
wash. Use your own judgment.
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I think this is the most sensible approach, with part of the "good technique" being to use plenty of towels and making sure to use all 8 "sides". As for lubricity, I don't know how it applies for all products, but I use Wolfgang Uber and the waterless wash and QD ratios are nearly the same, with the QD ratio actually offering slightly more lubricity.
 
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