When starting out, don't get frustrated comparing your work to pix on the 'net

[frosty]

I don't know if anybody else starting out has gotten frustrated when starting out. I know I did back when I started. I actually made a post in another thread about this. However yesterday, I got a new car to work on. In person it's just amazingly swirled out and looks pretty crappy. The car is nasty dirty that you can write your name in the dirt.

I snapped some pix trying to capture the problems. (If you'll notice in another one of my threads I'm still learning how to take high quality pix and my T1i isn't here just yet.)

Anyway, after looking at the pix, some of the pix look like the car has actually been detailed but in person, from where I took the pix, it looks really bad.

With that I wanted to post these for others starting out as proof of don't always believe what you see in a picture.

Here's a pix of the shady side of the car and it is nasty. I'm just amazed that the dirt & swirls don't show up in the pix.

Ok, here is a shot on the sunny side. I got up close and thought, this will really show how dirty and swirled the paint is.

It really doesn't. If you look you at the right side of the picture you can make out some swirls. But the entire door is pretty bad and couldn't believe they didn't show up in this shot as it was one of the better angles to my eyes.

Here is a rear shot I thought would also show swirls on the rear. I should have gotten closer but also in this picture, look at the bumper under the trunk and you can start to see how dirty the car is.

Two more pix that show how dirty the car is.

Finally here are pix that actually start showing some of the swirls. But the pix still don't do justice to how bad they look in person.

By just washing and clay barring & waxing this car you can make the pix look like you spent 15 hours on it in a picture.

Hope this helps somebody like myself when they are starting and help them not "polish the paint off their car" trying to get it to look in person like some of the pix you'll see.

 

[spike]

Very good advice, as always, Frosty. I KNOW I'll probably fall into that trap since I'm a newbie. I just hope I can get somewhat of good results with my first time using my Flex on my 1999 camry (if the doggone weather ever warms up!). I am a member of autopia's forum as well, and here is a pic that I WISH I could get my car to look like:

It's taken by an awesome detailer named Scottwax on the forums. WOW! I wish I could achieve this look! But, like you said, you just never know with pics how the surface was really treated and such. This guy obviously has LOTS of experience to get this kind of finish. I drool over this pic, and I hope to get close to those results, but it's not always feasible...:drool:

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

Very good advice, as always, Frosty. I KNOW I'll probably fall into that trap since I'm a newbie. I just hope I can get somewhat of good results with my first time using my Flex on my 1999 camry (if the doggone weather ever warms up!). I am a member of autopia's forum as well, and here is a pic that I WISH I could get my car to look like:

It's taken by an awesome detailer named Scottwax on the forums. WOW! I wish I could achieve this look! But, like you said, you just never know with pics how the surface was really treated and such. This guy obviously has LOTS of experience to get this kind of finish. I drool over this pic, and I hope to get close to those results, but it's not always feasible...:drool:

Frosty did a great job on explaining how things are not always what they really seem.

Now onto this picture by Scottwax, you can make ANYTHING look great in a garage. Now when someone has a straight on shot in the sun and it is defect free or 95% free and has a nice shine then you can go gaga over it, but garage shots you have to take with a grain of salt. Also when looking at pictures you should read the process carefully and that will also tell the story of how well the paint is going to come out.

 

[wfedwar]

you can make ANYTHING look great in a garage.

You can also get a great reflection shot off of anything if the angle is high enough, especially on dark paint, especially if the background is bright. None of this is to knock Scottwax. He really is good.

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

You can also get a great reflection shot off of anything if the angle is high enough, especially on dark paint, especially if the background is bright. None of this is to knock Scottwax. He really is good.

Agreed on the reflection shot.

 

[Truitt]

I'm interested in this, too. I'm just starting out. Here is a garage shot that took about ten tries. In most of the shots I took the finish looked pretty good. Any tips on how to take good garage shots?

 

[Deep Gloss Auto Salon]

Now onto this picture by Scottwax, you can make ANYTHING look great in a garage. Now when someone has a straight on shot in the sun and it is defect free or 95% free and has a nice shine then you can go gaga over it, but garage shots you have to take with a grain of salt. Also when looking at pictures you should read the process carefully and that will also tell the story of how well the paint is going to come out.

Tell it man.....you and I have talked about this so much.... glad to see others are getting hip to be able to tell real correction shots...

 

[christian900se]

I think a lot of it comes from the camera you use and your skill level. I always hated how I could never seem to portray what a car looks like in person. However, I thought I could take decent pictures with a point and shoot but once I got a basic DSLR over christmas, it was night and day.

Point and Shoot:

DSLR in the same angle and lighting:

Again, P+S:

DSLR:

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

Those are nice photos Christian but they look fake with the DSLR, the point and shoot look like they are more true to what you would see in person. Like Jason(Deep Gloss) and I have talked about for sometime now people play with pictures and it is quit obvious when they do. Your last picture in the parking lot looks like it has been photo shoped because around all the edges they look tattered, not smooth. Also you can see you played with the car itself in the pic because the parking lot look is natural. This is to me and others is basically taking pictures of a car in a garage. Plus when pictures are that bright and too crisp they look un-natural.

 

[Bunky]

Those are nice photos Christian but they look fake with the DSLR, the point and shoot look like they are more true to what you would see in person. Like Jason(Deep Gloss) and I have talked about for sometime now people play with pictures and it is quit obvious when they do. Your last picture in the parking lot looks like it has been photo shoped because around all the edges they look tattered, not smooth. Also you can see you played with the car itself in the pic because the parking lot look is natural. This is to me and others is basically taking pictures of a car in a garage. Plus when pictures are that bright and too crisp they look un-natural.

I do not see much post processing but do not understand your tattered edges comment. Where do you see it?

In the both cases, the lighting is not identical. The sun is reflecting more of the paint in the PnS image. I see more exposure and color balance differences but these could have been due to in camera or in post. In the first three, you see more blue on the paint from the sky but not in the last shot.

I think the first picture of the thread shows why most people do not really care about swirls, etc. At 10 ft except in select angles, the car looks good.

As for the forum topic, please note that I assume people post their best work and cars with the best paint. You may not get that sharp reflection from some angles in say a Ford Fusion that has significant orange peel -- like some do.

 

[A4 1.8tqm]

Tips-

The trick to getting the garage reflection shot to look like that is Lighting and Focus. If the subject (shelves, wall, etc.) is very brightly lit and your camera is focused on the reflected image of the subject, NOT focused on the car itself, you get that effect of deep, wet, flawless gloss. Simply point your lights at whatever you want to be reflected on the car. Consider the angles that the light reflects from: Light bulb--->subject, subject--->car, car--->camera lens when aiming the lights and framing the shot. Like wfedwar said, High angle and bright background (and not to discred ScottWax :xyxthumbs

The same is true for shots intended to show flaws, focus and lighting. To get these pics the light source should be directed at the car panel itself and the camera must be focused ON the panel as well. A very low reflection angle tends to give great results, the light source behind the camera will achieve this (like the sun, or a brinkmann held next to the camera). Manual focus can really help in getting these shots, someone suggested putting your finger or piece of tape to help with auto focus, which I thought was a great idea.

PICS are fun! :rant:

 

[detaildave]

Frosty did a great job on explaining how things are not always what they really seem.

Now onto this picture by Scottwax, you can make ANYTHING look great in a garage. Now when someone has a straight on shot in the sun and it is defect free or 95% free and has a nice shine then you can go gaga over it, but garage shots you have to take with a grain of salt. Also when looking at pictures you should read the process carefully and that will also tell the story of how well the paint is going to come out.

He speaks & knows the TRUTH!!!:urtheman:

 

[Mirror Detailing]

Yep When I first started out and seeing other detailers post up there pictures from other forums, it made me go wow, thats awesome. But after awhile I realized that, the shots are showing nothing. Its rare to find someone who takes direct sunlight shots after, and to me when you see alot of upclose sunlight or shop light shots before, and then none after, they are trying to hide the correction outcome.

Thats why with all my pictures I ever posted, if I take a upclose shot of one panel, better dam well believe I will take the picture at the same panel upclose again after. I have no problem saying I corrected 90-95% of the paint. Because like Mike P. said, sometimes once you remove the light top layer of scratches, you have the deeper ones below that require wet sanding to remove. Which if a customer doesnt want to pay for it, then...

 

[frosty]

I got a basic DSLR over christmas, it was night and day.

Wow Christian, I hope I improve as good as you did with a DSLR. My T1i should be here Tues. Man that's a big difference and why I bought one.

P.S. At least for the pix I'm using to post a car for sale etc. Was there any Photoshop or anything involved with these pix or are they untouched?

 

[cooksnj]

this is an interesting post. i had noticed some guys will post pics of swirls at like 2 inches away and then later try to tell you it's fixed with a pic 5 feet away? i never understood that. take a close up like you did before. my car looks great at 5 feet away, but when you really look at it...bad. cant wait till spring.

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

Bunky, if you look around the rims, the top and some edges they are not completely smooth like the point and shoot pics. Look at the trrees in the background also. Also look at the asphalt and parking lines they look natural unlike the car.

 

[Old Pirate]

Like this ( Inside Garaged )

Outside Picture

 

[Mark Preus]

Frosty did a great job on explaining how things are not always what they really seem.

Now onto this picture by Scottwax, you can make ANYTHING look great in a garage. Now when someone has a straight on shot in the sun and it is defect free or 95% free and has a nice shine then you can go gaga over it, but garage shots you have to take with a grain of salt. Also when looking at pictures you should read the process carefully and that will also tell the story of how well the paint is going to come out.

Great advise Asphalt. I always look at the products they used to achieve that finish

 

[christian900se]

Those are nice photos Christian but they look fake with the DSLR, the point and shoot look like they are more true to what you would see in person. Like Jason(Deep Gloss) and I have talked about for sometime now people play with pictures and it is quit obvious when they do. Your last picture in the parking lot looks like it has been photo shoped because around all the edges they look tattered, not smooth. Also you can see you played with the car itself in the pic because the parking lot look is natural. This is to me and others is basically taking pictures of a car in a garage. Plus when pictures are that bright and too crisp they look un-natural.

Huh? There was no processing in any of those pictures, and do not see what you do. The only setting I changed in camera was the exposure compensation and increased in camera sharpening slightly since I was using large aperatures in some pictures and Nikon is pretty soft by default for sharpness (well know fact). I'm sorry , but there was no photoshop involved. I was simply illustrating the difference in detail and clarity which I feel is pretty clear. So no, I did not post process or doctor those in anyway and like others cannot see what you are referring to with tattered edges. The crispness when compared to my p+s is because it is not only a vastly better camera (Samsung Memoir phone vs. Nikon DSLR), but the p+s pics were uploaded on photobucket and the DSLRs were done via flickr.

Wow Christian, I hope I improve as good as you did with a DSLR. My T1i should be here Tues. Man that's a big difference and why I bought one.

P.S. At least for the pix I'm using to post a car for sale etc. Was there any Photoshop or anything involved with these pix or are they untouched?

I do take some offense in being told that the on camera results look doctored when they most certainly weren't. It is simply a matter of upgrading cameras, and the difference is clear and looks pretty natural to me since I was there and saw the car with my own eyes.

You will definately have no problems learning with your Canon since they are pretty much the most user friendly DSLRs around I think. :xyxthumbs:

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

If you say they are not so be it. I am not the only one that has questioned your pics or others, not trying to give you a hard time but the car itself looks alot different than what is in the rest of the picture, once again not the only one that caught that. Anyway like I said they are nice pics.