where can I learn the KBM

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Ok I need to know about the KBM because it seems that it works great
and would really like to learn it:buffing:
 
wisemonkey said:
Ok I need to know about the KBM because it seems that it works great
and would really like to learn it:buffing:
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Keep an eye out for Kevin Brown's post. It should be out shortly.
 
Kevin Browns method has not even been released to my knowledge and some are already suggesting changes or differences.
 
Here you go.

Kevin Brown said:
Hi all...
Regarding the paper (I just sent this via PM to a guy so I thought I'd steal my own stuff and post it up)...
I am diligently working on the pictures, diagrams, and graphics. Unfortunately, an hour or two after midnight is all the time I can usually muster. Any spare time I have I spend working on these additions (even if it is 20 minutes). It shouldn't be much longer, though. Here's the reason for the holdup:
Once I finish a graphic and place it in the already written paper, I must modify the text to lead into the graphic. Since I am having the paper proofread by two people or more (via e-mail), I wait to get their feedback on the graphic, make adjustments to the wording and then move on. Most often, another point of concern comes up, and I end up altering another section of the paper to better explain the topic in question.
Currently, the paper still has all the information about M106 and M86, but the portion relating to the random-orbital polisher has grown immensely and is being moved towards the beginning of the paper, as opposed to the end. Reality is such that if the user does not truly understand how the machine works and how to achieve best results using it regardless the liquid being used, the end result will likely be subpar.
So, while the wait is frustrating for those of you waiting to read it, there is a legitimate reason for the wait. I appreciate all the discussion and anticipation about this document. I know I am about a month behind the date I figured this baby would be posted, but it's not too far off. I am REALLY looking forward to finishing this thing!
I knew I should have left the graphics out because of the time it takes to make them, but the paper has improved because of their inclusion.
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Everyone in the detailing community is making this guy sound like the next messiah. What gives? Is his method really that speacial?
 
loudog2 said:
Everyone in the detailing community is making this guy sound like the next messiah. What gives? Is his method really that speacial?
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Kevin is one of the most knowledgeable folks I know on paint polishing. I am sure the that the time and effort that he put into this project will be well worth the wait.
 
I heard he is seeking a major manufacturer or Company to Sponsor the document so he can have a revenue stream from it. They will very likely want him only using their product in the descriptions. If it is being considered by Meguiars the hold up might be the boys in suits at 3M. I wish kevin all the best. I am sure he can turn this into 6 figures easy without compromising his reputation too much or selling his soul to the Devil. The other issue is getting it Copyrighted as a "METHOD" so someone else can't change it a little and claim it as their own. So what seems like an easy process probably cost 15 to 20 K in attorney fees alone.
 
I have heard this is a 27 page write up so far I can not wait to see it
 
BenzDetailer said:
I heard he is seeking a major manufacturer or Company to Sponsor the document so he can have a revenue stream from it. They will very likely want him only using their product in the descriptions. If it is being considered by Meguiars the hold up might be the boys in suits at 3M. I wish kevin all the best. I am sure he can turn this into 6 figures easy without compromising his reputation too much or selling his soul to the Devil. The other issue is getting it Copyrighted as a "METHOD" so someone else can't change it a little and claim it as their own. So what seems like an easy process probably cost 15 to 20 K in attorney fees alone.
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I have been helping edit this thing since October.

Kevin's paper is definitely not sponsored by anyone. He is not doing it for the money. The paper completely dissects the DA and discusses techniques that can be used with any polish or pad.

If Kevin really was being paid to write this, then I should have received a portion of the check...


killrwheels@autogeek said:
Kevin Browns method has not even been released to my knowledge and some are already suggesting changes or differences.
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There are two versions of the paper: one version is simplified and the other version offers an in depth look into DA polishing.

The pad priming technique or KBM has already been outlined and is not a secret (search for "A look into pad priming"). So no, the pad priming has not changed. The full paper is constantly changing, though. There are bunches of charts and diagrams to add to the paper. At this point, it is over twenty-seven pages.
 
I believe we are all waiting for its release and tutorials ...
 
i've read all the stuff that previosuly discussed about it and then tried it the best i could based on memory. I got the priming part down pretty well and went from that.

I did see an immediate result in terms of good correction with just 1 pass using M105 and an orange pad. Beyond that, I too am waiting to see something updated. You can never have too much reading material/reference.
 
PorscheGuy997 said:
I really don't like posting the same thread on multiple forums. But, I can post the pad priming directions here if needed.
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If you have or can receive Kevin's approval to post, then I think we all would appreciate it here on site also. Thanks for helping.
 
Priming the pad through saturation and the rolling of the pad is not new or was it invented by KB. I know I used that method starting somewhere back in the Mid 70's and perhaps as early as 1972. That would make the method right around 37 years old. I am not sure how old he is but it may preceed his birth. The saturation of a pad and rolling it in a towel to assist in the proper distribution of product has been a common practice since the inception of polishing. The dob, drip, blob, spiral or X methods are infact the newer methods that were designed as products became higher tech and people wanted to conserve the amount being used due to cost. I found there are really only two new inventions to detailing in the last 25 years and they are DIMINISHING ABRASIVES & MICROFIBER. Everything else has been around forever.
 
Everything else has been around forever? Not so. Maybe you were just trying to make a point. Diminishing abrasive compounds were not developed within the past 25 years. Not everything has been around forever. For example, detailing clay is new and the stringent regulations are new, too. Manufacturing waxes and buffing compounds that work well with all the regulations today is tough business!

Paint technology is much different than 25 years ago. Even the buffing pads we use today are completely different than two decades ago. Sure, they are still made from raw materials such as wool or foam (and other materials), but the technology has made them better (foamed wool, that wasn't around in 1984). Hardly anyone was using a dual action sander to polish paint back then. Many ideas or technologies have been around for decades, but advances in technology have really updated the machines, pads, and polishing liquids.

As for the method, it is fairly specific to a certain class of buffing liquid. In this case, Meguiar's M105 and M86. The use of detailing sprays to prime the pad is nothing new. However, Kevin’s method involves priming the pad with the actual polish.

Finally, the pad priming method was not named by Kevin. It was a process outlined by Kevin that someone else decided to identify as "The Kevin Brown Method." It was named to give credit to Kevin as the guy that found a better way to apply than was recommended. Also, it's easier to type "Use the KB Method", as opposed to typing out all the specific instructions every time someone needs a bit of polishing advice.
 
BenzDetailer said:
I heard he is seeking a major manufacturer or Company to Sponsor the document so he can have a revenue stream from it.
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YEE-HAW! Im the MAN This is GREAT news!

I sure hope you heard this from a reliable source. I could use the dough, baby!

Can you tell me if the guy was sitting behind a desk at some huge corporation? :wave:

Seriously, I have no deals with anyone.
I have been working on the graphics and modifying the text related to the graphics (once they are placed).
I can't work on this stuff for more than an hour or two most nights, so wrapping this thing has taken a lot longer than I expected.

Frankly, the text was basically finished last Halloween.
I had to make some changes after it was proofread, and the timing ended up being bad, as M105 received an update to the formula. I thought things might be confusing because the information was based upon experimentation with the original formula (even though the information has hardly been modified, it was best to wait things out).

At that point, I ran out of time to devote to the paper, so I just let it sit. Then, once I decided to add pictures and graphics, it really affected the design of the paper. Now, I am paying the price for messing with something that was essentially finished.

I purposely avoided adding a lot of pictures, graphs, and diagrams to save time.
Plus, I knew that if there were no graphics to help get my points across, the information would have to be very precise and thorough.

Reality is... this is a much better paper now.

It's focus has shifted, too.
Now, a majority of the information is about the random-orbital and how to achieve the best results when using the machine with M105, M86, and virtually any other buffing liquid. :cheers:

So, that's the back story.
But I am a capitalist, so if anyone wants to talk cash, the bidding starts now! :righton:
 
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