That is correct. But just because there are "less able" polishes out there that doesn't mean polish is the reason even though which polish is used can make a difference. Throw away those "less able" ones from consideration, do not use them, and you might find you can not see the difference in the final result regardles of whether you have used A or B, especially if paint has been already polished so much that it is impossible to bring any further improvement.
Where do looks come from?
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I have a feeling you are once again spinning in circles, raising questions that have no end on very boring nights, so this is where I take an exit as merry-go-rounds make me dizzy.
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Agreed, there is a point that the finish will not be abled to be enhanced in the right hands.
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Optically Perfect Crystalline Shine:
Colour, Depth and Clarity- the three factors concours judges look for when scrutinizing paint film surfaces. So much depends on proper surface preparation, a clean and level surface, and product clarity, which allow the natural gloss of the paint to show through, as without transparency the true colours of the paint surface cannot be seen. Waxing a surface that has not been properly cleaned will only result in a shiny layer over dull, dirty paint - not the deep smooth, optically perfect crystalline shine that is obtainable.
An Optically perfect shine- comes from a clean, prepared and level surface; it improves the desired optical properties i.e. surface reflectance. The other requirements are surface gloss, depth of shine and applied product transparency (clarity), which allows all of the components of an optically perfect shine to be visible.
The aesthetics- of a vehicles appearance is very subjective to say the least, the only best wax or sealant that really matters is what looks 'best' to you. In the final analysis it all come down to; 85% preparation, 5% product, 7% application method and the balance is in the ‘guy’ of the beholder
- The best light reflection is obtained from a perfectly flat highly reflective surface, i.e. glass over a silver metallic material –a mirror
- A polish would need to level a pint surface; this will provide a surface without distortion.
- To provide protection to our theoretically perfectly distortion-free surface we would need to apply a wax or a polymer sealant, which in turn would need to be optically clear
Colour, Depth and Clarity- the three factors concours judges look for when scrutinizing paint film surfaces. So much depends on proper surface preparation, a clean and level surface, and product clarity, which allow the natural gloss of the paint to show through, as without transparency the true colours of the paint surface cannot be seen. Waxing a surface that has not been properly cleaned will only result in a shiny layer over dull, dirty paint - not the deep smooth, optically perfect crystalline shine that is obtainable.
An Optically perfect shine- comes from a clean, prepared and level surface; it improves the desired optical properties i.e. surface reflectance. The other requirements are surface gloss, depth of shine and applied product transparency (clarity), which allows all of the components of an optically perfect shine to be visible.
The aesthetics- of a vehicles appearance is very subjective to say the least, the only best wax or sealant that really matters is what looks 'best' to you. In the final analysis it all come down to; 85% preparation, 5% product, 7% application method and the balance is in the ‘guy’ of the beholder
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To me, it's all in the polishing. Not the polish alone and not the technique alone but the combined effort. That, and preference.......and a satisfied client.
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Jeez man... You give me a headache.
So now, you're on board with the idea that altering the surface of clear coat (polishing), which different polishes do to different degrees of "perfection" and/or adding a film between the paint surface and the eye (wax and/or sealant) can in fact alter what the eye sees???
I'm pretty sure that was the basis of the original question which you seemed to think was ridiculous.
No, I am not on board with your phrasing. I see in Jon's post same thing I was saying so you and I seem to be reading it differently, thus your headache might be pretty much self-induced, sorry.
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I have to disagree. Have you seen most any gorgeous model *without* her makeup?? Make up matters as well as LSP's. Difference is that you can't hide shoddy polish work with an LSP but you sure can make a so-so woman look good with makeup.
Let me make my first million first and then I will get back to you on that one
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Hey, I heard a great joke about that just the other day....
Wife, after reviewing the finances tells husband he has to stop going out and drinking all the time, it's just expensive. Later, the husband looks over the statements and sees $85.00 for make-up, and over $200.00 for salon services (hair, nails, etc.). He asks the wife about these expenses and she says, "that's so I can look pretty for you" - he replys, "THAT'S WHAT THE BEER WAS FOR!"... He should be out of the hospital in a few more weeks.
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The aesthetics of a vehicle appearance is very subjective to say the least, the only best wax or sealant that really matters is what looks 'best' to you and meets the criteria you set for it.
Unlike 'make-up' the final result can only be as good as the surface its applied to (unless you add a glaze with filling properties). It really is all dependant upon, process over product; 85% preparation, 5% product suitability, 7% application methodology and the balance is in the ‘guy’ of the beholder. The other variables are; a detailer’s knowledge of paint type, experience with a given product and skill level and experience with machine polisher.
Unlike 'make-up' the final result can only be as good as the surface its applied to (unless you add a glaze with filling properties). It really is all dependant upon, process over product; 85% preparation, 5% product suitability, 7% application methodology and the balance is in the ‘guy’ of the beholder. The other variables are; a detailer’s knowledge of paint type, experience with a given product and skill level and experience with machine polisher.
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"...altering the surface of clear coat (polishing), which different polishes do to different degrees of "perfection" and/or adding a film between the paint surface and the eye (wax and/or sealant) can in fact alter what the eye sees???"
So, which part of this statement do you disagree with?
So, which part of this statement do you disagree with?
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Couln't agree with you more, it just seems that some people question whether there is any difference in the aeshetics of a vehicles appearance (looks) with different products applied, (whether better or worse is truly subjective).
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Exactly :cheers:. Leaving opinions on what looks better out of it, can different polishes create different looks and can different LSPs create different looks. This is what I was trying to get to with the original post but I guess people had trouble following.
From what has been stated in this thread, which seems accurate, is that a perfectly polished finish (paint) will always look the same. However, polishes aren't able to create perfection (microscopically), thus different polishes finish off better than others, creating different aesthetic looks.
On a controlled paint setting, finished off with a final polish, the choice of LSP can alter the appearence of the finish. That being said, different LSPs create different looks.
How do those last 2 paragraphs sound?
Read this and try to understand it (bolds applied by me, and of course I am assuming we are not discussing fillers when talking polishing here):
Until then I will reply in as serious manner as the question is: "That is not what the makeup was for, that is what the beer was for".
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makdaddy626
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That sounds spot on to me...
Check out this pic from a post by Mike T...
one side with spray souveran, one side with Aquawax... regardless of which side anybody thinks looks "better" I think most will agree they can see a difference...
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