Where to start? Paint on panel

Ckundred

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Folks, would love to get your thoughts.

I'd like to polish my father in laws truck, it's in pretty good shape for being 10 years old, however, on one side he has a bit of paint from a time when he scaped the truck into the side of his garage.

The photo is below. The scrape is about 8 inches long and is actually flaky and thick...Thoughts on how best to attack would be appreciated.

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cant tell if it scratched into the paint or just paint transfer, if transfer you could get a good amount off with clay...then use a polish, if still remaining use a compound. Not sure what you have at your disposal but you can get Clay, Meguiars Ultimate compound and Meguiars Ultimate polish at Wal-mart if needed ASAP
 
I've had good luck with TarX on paint transfer also. 2nd would be clay.
 
I have a nanoskin....I have both the pad for my orbital and the smaller sponge...do you think that would be an OK substitute for clay in this instance? And I'll give Tar-X a try as well.

Sorry for the picture but it's a paint transfer...some flakes off...
 
That sould wipe right off with a solvent than take some polish to it and done.
 
The nanoskin should work as a clay substitute. I'd use the sponge, not the machine, for this
 
Clean (wipe the area with Quick Detailer kind of product), clay smoothly, not trying to get everything out by scrubbing it. Glide the clay and let it remove what it can while gliding it over surface. Wipe surface clean after.

Get a Microfiber Towel, pour some 2-3 pea drops of Ultimate compound (I also use FG400 for this), spread the polish over the area and work it, don't start with too much pressure indeed.

Don't put the pressure on your fingertips, but distribute force evenly through the 'pulp' of your fingers. Thumb can do it as well.

Gently start adding pressure and speed to your movement, until you hit the speed of light. Don't overdo it, stop and inspect your results often.

After getting it off, buff residue with a clean towel.

If needed, repeat the polishing step again.

Kind Regards.
 
Here's something I posted back in 2010....


How To Remove Paint Transfer

Paint Transfer is a term used to describe when the paint off of some other object is transferred onto you car's finish usually by some kind of accident.

My friend Rob is a Fitness Instructor at the gym I work out at and someone, somehow sideswiped his 2006 Ford Mustang GT and in so doing took off is side mirror and transferred some white paint onto his car's finish along with instilling some marring and scratches.



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Luckily the damage wasn't worse!
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Here's how you can remove paint transfer by hand using a light paint cleaner. For this example I'll use Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion.

Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion non-abrasive, it is designed to safely take off old wax, embedded road grime and pollution that washing will not remove. It prepares the surface for waxing by creating a clean, smooth, highly-reflective surface.

This is a very mild polish and because it's non-abrasive I'm going to apply and work it with a microfiber applicator pad, in this situation were using the nap of the microfiber as our abrasive along with the lubrication and cleaning ability of Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion to gently remove the offending paint.

If you find Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion is not aggressive enough, you can use XMT Heavy Duty Swirl Remover #4 Polishing Compound. This is very aggressive rubbing compound and after using it you will need to follow it with a less aggressive product.


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Place a small amount of Paintwork Cleansing Lotion onto the face of your applicator pad...
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Next work the polish and applicator against the transferred paint putting a little passion behind the pad but don't push too hard or you could instill fingermarks just from the concentrated pressure from your fingertips...

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After working the product for about a minute, stop and inspect to check your progress.. You can see most of the paint transfer has been removed but not 100% of it. Sometimes you many need to repeat the process a few times to completely remove the paint transfer.

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After you've successfully removed the paint transfer you can apply a protective coat of wax or paint sealant or like I've done here, machine polished the paint and then machine waxed the paint.

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Looks as good as new and now Rob's going to have the mirror replaced.
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Thanks Rob for bringing your car to Autogeek's Show Car Garage!
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Products Used
Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion
Cobra Indigo Microfiber Polishing Cloth
Cobra Microfiber Applicator Pads
Pinnacle Liquid Souveran Car Wax


Further Resources
How to use a hand applied abrasive polish or paint cleaner by hand


Paint Cleaners at Autogeek.net
Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion
Wolfgang Paintwork Polish Enhancer
3M Scratch Remover
Dodo Juice Lime Prime Lite Cleaner Glaze
Dodo Juice Lime Prime Pre-Wax Cleanser Polish
Duragloss PreCleaner
1Z Einszett Paint Polish
Four Star Ultimate PreWax Cleanser
Griot's Garage Fine Hand Polish
Liquid Glass Pre-Cleaner
Meguiars SCRATCH X 2.0
Meguiars SwirlX Swirl Remover
Mothers California Gold Pre-Wax Cleaner
Mothers California Gold Scratch Remover
P21S Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser
Poorboy's World Professional Polish
SONAX Premium Class Paint Cleaner
SONAX Paint Cleaner



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From the same article I copied and pasted above....



Would detailing clay work for that as well?

Well...

"You never know what you can do until you try"

That said... not really. When something imparts itself onto your car like paint, it's usually during a moment of extreme rubbing under pressure and the imparted substance tend to almost become one with your car's paint, as in it's stuck on the paint like glue...


For this reason, clay won't usually work...

In most cases you need some kind of "chunky" abrasive, that's why I referred to the XMT #4 as it's a traditional rubbing compound that feels like sand in a bottle and it works great for removing paint transfer, the problem is after you finish with the #4 you MUST do some kind of follow up polishing as it will leave it's own scratches behind.

In a situation like this that should be expected as removing paint transfer is usually a process, not a single step. The idea being removing the offending paint because it's unsightly makes accepting instilling a few light or shallow scratches acceptable knowing afterward you just have to remove the scratches instilled from the removal process.

I actually had about 5 products on hand to test out and used the least aggressive product that did the job because I was following the philosophy of,

"Use the least aggressive product to get the job done"


Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion is non-abrasive and that's where the microfiber applicator pad comes into play, the nap "can" be used as a gentle type of abrasive when used with pressure, the key is to balance your pressure so you apply enough to remove the paint transfer without applying so much pressure that you and your fingertips together with the nap instill scratches or marring in the process.

This is why if anyone reading this is into detailing cars, even if it's your own car, then it's helpful to have a few different products in the garage to draw from for situation like this.

Products, and by this I mean compounds, polishes, glazes, waxes, sealants, etc. are like tools in your tool chest. I would never attempt to remove the heads off an engine without having enough of the right tools in my tool chest first.


Paint transfer is pretty common on the front and rear corners of passenger cars as people will accidentally pull to close to a pole in a parking lot, or a fence post, or some kind of structure they're parking next to and a little rubbing under pressure and you have paint transfer on your car's finish.

I used to not like using overly abrasive products like the #4 Heavy Duty Rubbing Compound but to be truthful it's pretty hand to have in the your tool chest or arsenal of detailing supplies just because once in a while it comes in real handy. The scratches and swirls it leaves behind are easily polished out using a less aggressive product.


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More from the same thread I linked to above...


Meguiars Macro Diminishing Abrasives, found in product like M84, M85, M04 etc, work well for this situation.

They will get the paint transfer off but most likely leave severe marring behind.

Actually, M85 and M84 use Microscopic Diminishing Abrasives, this is why these products feel more like a hand lotion than a rubbing compound.

M04 came out in the 1920's I think and uses Macroscopic Diminishing Abrasives and does in fact work quite well for removing paint transfer by hand. Note the formula has been upgraded dramatically since when it first came out but it still uses MDA, not mDA.

What you need to remove paint transfer is something kind of chunky, that's why the XMT #4 or the M04 both work so well for removing paint transfer BUT they also will leave scratches in the paint.

My normal habit and practice is to type, teach and practice myself,

"Use the least aggressive product to get the job done"

So while I know that XMT #4 or M04 will excel at removing paint transfer, I still try using something a lot more gentle in order to leave the most amount of paint on the car while solving the problem and in so doing teaching that practice.

In the example of this thread where I removed white paint transfer off a 2006 Mustang, the Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion together with the "nap" of a microfiber were aggressive enough to convince the paint transfer to come off while gentle enough to not put scratches in at the same time.

That's a Win/Win deal.

If it had not worked, I had the XMT #4 in my tool chest, or in other words, if the least aggressive product didn't work, I could substitute a more aggressive product. This is called testing and as I always tell my son,

"You don't know what you can do until you try"


For the same reason that a chunky abrasive will remove paint transfer, a chunky abrasive will also remove water spots and road film off glass, but make sure the abrasives used in the "chunky product" doesn't scratch glass. I'm pretty sure the abrasives in XMT #4 are non-diminishing, the abrasives in M04 are diminishing, I haven't tested XMT #4 on glass so I don't know if the abrasives will scratch it or not, being from Oregon, I've been using M04 for decades to remove water spots and road film off glass with no problems, but I digress... just wanted to tie in the "chunky" aspect because there's a lot of confusion over this topic.


For a tiny job like this would the Griot's 3" mini polisher or 4" foam pads for the PC work as well as applying by hand?

No, would hardly work at all and probably not at all. First it's because if you push too hard on the 3" mini polisher the pad will stop rotating and thus nothing will be done. With enough time, a 4" pad on a DA on the 6.0 setting with an aggressive compound would eventually remove it without the heat problem of a rotary buffer but you can do this in seconds by hand... and be safe while doing it.


If you put a small pad on a rotary you'll be able to rotate the pad but the bond between the transferred paint and the car paint is so tight that in most cases you risk heating the paint up in your effort.

Again... back to the benefit of working by hand...

By hand you can use 2-3 finger tips on an applicator pad and exert a lot of force to a small area which will remove the offending paint transfer without creating the heat you would create with a rotary buffer.

Not saying rotary won't work because it will, heck throw on a 8" wool cutting pad on a full size rotary, slap on some abrasive compound and you can take everything off right down to bare metal if you want... I'm not recommending this, just making the point of what can be done.

This article was to show the majority of people how to fix a common problem with something they already own... their hand...

Having an assortment of products in your detailing arsenal is like having tools in your tool box, after reading this if you don't have any of the above then maybe stock up your tool chest...

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Folks,

I can't thank you all enough for all of this great advice. What a great forum. I didn't even know what to call the mark until I came here--"paint transfer." That's definitely what it is.

I'll be getting on this over the next week or so and let you all know how it came out--so to speak!
 
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