Which polisher for a new guy?

VISITOR said:
yeah, i like it when someone as talented as Jeff Brown took an existing idea (dynabrade random orbital head) and improved on it's short comings with a system complete with pads, creams, and accessories... :dblthumb2:

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I mean yeah but he's a spokesperson for them. I would of like it more if it was a outside source not a paid spokesman.

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Coatingsarecrack said:
Newbie here. Just did my first polish and coating. I went with the Griots BOSS gg15 long throw. I have a 2016 mustangs with all kind of curves and was concerned with stalling.

The BOSS gg15 is a beast. Little issues with stalling and once you get technique down it’ll spin like a top. Didn’t take long to figure out just work on adjusting angle of pad to get it figured out.

It cuts great, polish superior, and way less vibrations than a Griots gg6. Save your money from buying basic and upgrading later and go straight to the 15 longthrow l, you’ll be glad you did.

I have never used a another polisher (except my Adams 3 inch) and was worried about if I spent too much (shoulda got gg6) or too little (bought the Rupes) and didn’t get the right polisher. After using it’s an absolute dream.


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So what do you and everyone else do when you need to get into tight places? For instance my Jeeps has a few areas with some staining spots. I know it will come out as I did a few small places by hand but it wore me out. The area is on the strip above the back glass. Also like areas on the doors next to glass. Do I need a 5” and then some sort of mini polisher?
 
DETAILROOKIE said:
I dont understand why every " what do you guys recommend thread" has to be a measuring contest! There is no one polisher that fits all. What happened to the time where people could share their opinions without getting into a bickering match about brand. Each brand has their fan base and there is no reason for one fan base to put down or crap on another.
People join forums to learn and grow not read a constant contemplation of bickering.

Back to the topic, I started with a porter cable 7424xp and it was a great machine, but as I got comfortable I moved up to long throws and forced rotation. If I could do it all over again, I would have probably started with the GG6 for the power and warranty. Long throws and forced rotations have learning curves which might be overwhelming while you are first starting. Good luck with your choice and careful, it gets addicting. Lol

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I guess for the same reason Redskin fans still buy season tickets. Sometime it's for the sport. We may not always agree but you have to rep your colors

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DETAILROOKIE said:
I dont understand why every " what do you guys recommend thread" has to be a measuring contest! There is no one polisher that fits all. What happened to the time where people could share their opinions without getting into a bickering match about brand. Each brand has their fan base and there is no reason for one fan base to put down or crap on another.
People join forums to learn and grow not read a constant contemplation of bickering.

Back to the topic, I started with a porter cable 7424xp and it was a great machine, but as I got comfortable I moved up to long throws and forced rotation. If I could do it all over again, I would have probably started with the GG6 for the power and warranty. Long throws and forced rotations have learning curves which might be overwhelming while you are first starting. Good luck with your choice and careful, it gets addicting. Lol

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unfortunately, you have those people. anyways, the GG6 if i'm not mistaken is the one free spinning polisher that people tend to grab the most at Mike's classes and for good reason...
 
Hey! What do you mean "these people" !?!?! I'm kidding relax

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ClearVue18 said:
I mean you may be right. I would just buy polisher that fits a 3-inch pad so on so on. I own quite a few polishers in my trucks and shops. As you see some of the ones I have hanging around in my house I'm just saying I look for more than just a warranty mainly because I don't keep polishers long enough for it to matter because something new comes out that may be better. Now if I did I would like a company that would invest more into building and improving their products and not just having someone else build and slap my name on it.
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Being a pro is one thing.

I have duplicates of the tools I use most (Rupes, Porter Cable) I do that because I don't want a situation where I have to run to Harbor Freight, or Lowes for a PC while I send a Rupes or Flex off for repair.

One of the advantages of the GG6 warranty is for the guy in his garage that uses it once a year. Imagine buying a $400.00 polisher, go to use it and it's dead. Oh, and you've had it for a couple years out of warranty. In that scenario they could call up Griot's and arrange to take advantage of their warranty.

A friend of mine owns a shop, and he blazed through twelve GG6 tools on three years. I believe he has four or six in rotation in his shop currently, aside from a 21MK 2, and a couple DeWalt rotaries.

I don't own a GG6 yet. I'll probably get one one of these days, but I love those old 1st gen Porter Cable 7424 tools.. Easy for short, fat hands to handle!
 
nprotz said:
So what do you and everyone else do when you need to get into tight places? For instance my Jeeps has a few areas with some staining spots. I know it will come out as I did a few small places by hand but it wore me out. The area is on the strip above the back glass. Also like areas on the doors next to glass. Do I need a 5” and then some sort of mini polisher?
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Do what Eldo said. Get a 3" plate and pads for the GG6.
 
DETAILROOKIE said:
I dont understand why every " what do you guys recommend thread" has to be a measuring contest! There is no one polisher that fits all. What happened to the time where people could share their opinions without getting into a bickering match about brand. Each brand has their fan base and there is no reason for one fan base to put down or crap on another.
People join forums to learn and grow not read a constant contemplation of bickering.

Back to the topic, I started with a porter cable 7424xp and it was a great machine, but as I got comfortable I moved up to long throws and forced rotation. If I could do it all over again, I would have probably started with the GG6 for the power and warranty. Long throws and forced rotations have learning curves which might be overwhelming while you are first starting. Good luck with your choice and careful, it gets addicting. Lol

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You must not have been around for the wax wars, back in the 2000's!

I remember lurking around MOL, and Autopia back in the day, and man they would fight. It was brutal!

This is tame by comparison.
 
dlc95 said:
Being a pro is one thing.

I have duplicates of the tools I use most (Rupes, Porter Cable) I do that because I don't want a situation where I have to run to Harbor Freight, or Lowes for a PC while I send a Rupes or Flex off for repair.

One of the advantages of the GG6 warranty is for the guy in his garage that uses it once a year. Imagine buying a $400.00 polisher, go to use it and it's dead. Oh, and you've had it for a couple years out of warranty. In that scenario they could call up Griot's and arrange to take advantage of their warranty.

A friend of mine owns a shop, and he blazed through twelve GG6 tools on three years. I believe he has four or six in rotation in his shop currently, aside from a 21MK 2, and a couple DeWalt rotaries.

I don't own a GG6 yet. I'll probably get one one of these days, but I love those old 1st gen Porter Cable 7424 tools.. Easy for short, fat hands to handle!
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I've never had a $400 rupes polisher that didn't work. I've a had a flex polisher that didn't. I know some people like to work on a budget and I can respect and understand that. So I can only speak for myself. I buy polishers like women buy shoes. If it breaks I just buy a new one cause I don't have time to send it out and wait so on so on. When I buy something I want to know that it last long and not how often I have to send it in to be fixed.

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nprotz said:
So what do you and everyone else do when you need to get into tight places? For instance my Jeeps has a few areas with some staining spots. I know it will come out as I did a few small places by hand but it wore me out. The area is on the strip above the back glass. Also like areas on the doors next to glass. Do I need a 5” and then some sort of mini polisher?
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Yeah. The reason I didn’t like the gg6 with the 3” plate is it’s still got a BIG head /grommet where the plate mounts and looked hard to get into small concaves. I went with the Adams mini as it was reasonably priced and it is an actual dedicated mini polisher. I have not heard a bad thing about it and it was nice.

But the BOSS 15 was hands down my best investment hand couldn’t be happier with it


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ClearVue18 said:
I've never had a $400 rupes polisher that didn't work. I've a had a flex polisher that didn't. I know some people like to work on a budget and I can respect and understand that. So I can only speak for myself. I buy polishers like women buy shoes. If it breaks I just buy a new one cause I don't have time to send it out and wait so on so on. When I buy something I want to know that it last long and not how often I have to send it in to be fixed.

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I haven't had it happen either.

And while I'm pretty sure it's not typical, it has happened, and some were left feeling put out.

So being in a situation where I do this for money, we're similar in that we have other plans. I have duplicates because I don't want to wait for a new tool to be shipped, I'll just use the one in the back up bag, and make my dollars. In the meantime I can send the down tool to Rupes for repairs. When it gets back I can put it back into rotation. These tools are investments for those of us using them to make money. There is no reason for us to not be prepared.

Like I said earlier though, it's different for the more casual user. I prefer the Rupes line, but for a d.i.y. or weekend warrior the GG6 is a great option. And even pros like my friend, he takes advantage of the warranty when he kills one. He has multiple GG6s now on polisher racks next to his other tools.
 
Coatingsarecrack said:
Yeah. The reason I didn’t like the gg6 with the 3” plate is it’s still got a BIG head /grommet where the plate mounts and looked hard to get into small concaves. I went with the Adams mini as it was reasonably priced and it is an actual dedicated mini polisher. I have not heard a bad thing about it and it was nice.

But the BOSS 15 was hands down my best investment hand couldn’t be happier with it


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That huge spindle housing was the biggest reason I stayed so loyal to the 7424.
 
nprotz said:
Hey everyone, this is my first post. I’ve always liked keeping a clean looking car and I’m interested in getting into polishing.

I want to remove some hologram/spider webbing but have some older vehicles I want to try and improve. Anyway I’ve looked at polishers non stop and don’t really know what I need.

The gg6 looks like it would do well and can also take a 3” backing plate for tight spots. I’ve also looked at Flex.

Any recommendations?
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Hi nprotz,


Interesting thread to read through with all the different recommendations and opinions.


Visitor shared the below link here, but being under an imbedded video I didn't see it at first.

I wrote this in 2017 and it's probably one of the most shared articles I've ever written, at least by me because I answer your question a LOT.

The article is FULL of info you're going to NEED to know to get into machine polishing. It's not hard to polish by machine but little things like,

  1. How many pads do I need?
  2. What type of pads do I need?
  3. Marking the back of your backing plate?

And so many other topics are covered in this SINGLE article.



Plus if you scroll down a little ways there is a video that will walk you through the entire process of using a simple 8mm free spinning polisher like the Griot's Garage 6" ROP.


Here's what you need to get into machine polishing - Recommendations for a beginner by Mike Phillips

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VISITOR said:
anyways, the GG6 if i'm not mistaken is the one free spinning polisher that people tend to grab the most at Mike's classes and for good reason...
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Just to add to this...


In my classes I cover all the popular tools that Autogeek sells, which are also all the popular tools easily available in the U.S. market.


I start the class out using the Griot's 6" Random Orbital Polisher BECAUSE it's the easiest tool to learn how to use and master. That's TWO things, not just one thing. Then we go over these tools in order,

Griot's 6" Random Orbital Polisher - Pinnacle products and Buff & Shine pads
RUPES - All RUPES tools, pads and products
Griot's BOSS 15mm and 21mm plus all BOSS products and pads
FLEX BEAST, Finisher, 3" Long Stroke - using LC pads and SONAX products
Free-for-All - Choose ANY of the above tools to learn production detailing.

By the time the class has done the above they have buffed out 10 CARS! That's a lot of time spent with all of these tools. (not sitting in chairs.


After everyone has used any brand of long stroke polisher what most people in the class find out is it's easier to maintain pad rotation with an 8mm free spinning tool in the context of buffing out a wide range of body panel shapes than it is to maintain a long stroke free spinning orbital polisher when also buffing out a wide range of body panel shapes.

And I share the reason why in this article,

The ghosting footprint and the actual footprint - Long Stroke Free Spinning Orbital Polishers


Mike Phillips said:
With short stroke free spinning orbital polishers and with gear-driven short stroke orbital polishers, the ghosting footprint is so small it's a non-issue. And pad stalling with short stroke polishers is a lot less of an issue than long stroke polishers.

That is, the is less of a chance that the panel you're buffing can cause pad stall as the pad (with free spinning short stroke tools), because the outer edge of the pad will have less leverage over the reciprocating components due to the smaller orbit stroke length than you get with long stroke free spinning tools.
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And here's the deal....


When anyone takes my class they get to use all the tools and find out which tools works best for THEM. We're all different. But what I've seen over the years is that after using a lot of different tools in my class a portion of the class tends to choose the Griot's 6" Random Orbital Polisher. At least for their FIRST tool. They can always add more tools as time goes by.



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Mike Phillips said:
In my classes I cover all the popular tools that Autogeek sells, which are also all the popular tools easily available in the U.S. market.


I start the class out using the Griot's 6" Random Orbital Polisher BECAUSE it's the easiest tool to learn how to use and master. That's TWO things, not just one thing.

Then we go over these tools in order,

  1. Griot's 6" Random Orbital Polisher - Pinnacle products and Buff & Shine pads.
  2. RUPES - All RUPES tools, pads and products.
  3. Griot's BOSS 15mm and 21mm plus all BOSS products and pads.
  4. FLEX BEAST, Finisher, 3" Long Stroke - using LC pads and SONAX products.
  5. Free-for-All - Choose ANY of the above tools to learn production detailing.



By the time the class has done the above they have buffed out 10 CARS! That's a lot of time spent with all of these tools. (not sitting in chairs).
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And here's a text book example of the tools, the cars, the pads, the products and the order....


Pictures: May 2019 Detailing Bootcamp Class at Autogeek with Mike Phillips



Here's a flow chart to keep us on track...

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Here's the first two cars of the day using the Griot's 6" ROP

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In my opinion - the Griot's Garage 6" Random Orbital Polisher is a GREAT tool to start with and also necessary tool in your tool collection because it's not only capable but versatile.




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i bought the porter cable off autogeek with one of the package pad deals. I think it's a great entry level starter kit.
 
Belo said:
i bought the porter cable off autogeek with one of the package pad deals.

I think it's a great entry level starter kit.
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I agree. The Porter Cable is a time-proven, quality build tool.

The primary difference between the Porter Cable polisher and the Griot's 6" polisher is that Griot's has more useable power.

Porter Cable could improve their tool to have as much power as the Griot's version of the Porter Cable for about 5 cents a tool if they wanted to, but they don't care to. The sell gobs of these tools to the car detailing and wood working industry without improving them. So I guess PC is too big to fail.


And for those that don't know, the Griot's 6" ROP is basically a copy of the Porter Cable 7424 in all it's versions.

Here's my article that documents where all these tools basically got their start.


The history behind polishing paint with a DA Polisher


It all has to do with this picture,

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Just a suggestio, take one of Mike' detailing hands on classes. You can test drive alll kinds of polishers n supplies n get proper use training. I took one of his classes last year after which i purchased a flex xc3401 and xfe 7-12. I am only a hobbyist that likes to keep his rides in nice shape
 
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