Which QD for a serious wet look?

My pref is to use boosters instead of QD'rs and my reasoning is very simple... if I am gonna spend any time whats-so-ever pimping my ride I want some more protection added along with the shinners. I'm willing to trade off some shinners for more protection.

So, here are my lists (based solely on prod that I have used and have experience with)...

QD+, in the spray wax category:
1. Crystal Mist (agree w/Killr this is a runaway winner in this category)
2. PB QW+
3. OCW

QD+, in the spray sealant/synthetic category:
1. HGAS
2. AW
3. AJT
4. WG Spray Sealant
5. UPPS

QD:
1. QuikShine
2. PB S&W
3. 4* UGE
4. PB S&G
 
Bence said:
Nononono! FK uses N-Butyl Acetate as a comparison point (a relative number) only. They use N-Butyl Acetate as an example - if it has an evaporation rate of 1, then the given FK material has a ... Just see MSDSs.

Otherwise you are right. An average QD contains around 95-97% water. The others are the main active ingredients and the cleaners. However, not all QDs contain cleaners, because the water is a good solvent alone for this purpose. The wetting of water plus the mechanical abrasion of the towel is enough to take off fingerprints, etc. A very small amount of alcohol is just helping the wetting (where the active ingredients must reach the substrate) without actually harming the coating on the surface. So don't worry; the actives replenish more slickness/protection than the alcohol removes.

BTW, 425 is a non-cleaning QD. If you want to use a cleaning QD from FK1, use the 146.
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Yes..I stand corrected on the chemical...I did forget to add the n-

but the chemical will clean to a point..it is a solvent..it will remove oily finger prints...I am not saying it is a degreaser.. and .it is used as a evaporative agent also...

when my truck was in the shop and I got it back..there was some oily fingerprints on the fender left by the mechanics...I sprayed 425 on the fender and it did in fact remove the the oily oily prints..so it does clean to a point..

n-Butyl acetate is employed as a solvent for a variety of coating resins including epoxies, urethanes, cellulosics, acrylics and vinyls. The major applications for these surface coatings are wood furniture and fixtures, containers and closures, automotive refinishing and maintenance, and marine coatings. Duting the 1990s n-butyl acetate was substituted for solvents such as toluene, xylene, MIBK and MEK, which are classified as hazardous air pollutants (HAPs). Although this substitution has largely completed, consumption of n-butyl acetate is expected to continue growing modestly as in concert with the various coating applications.

Solvent is a substance, usually a liquid, that acts as a dissolving agent or that is capable of dissolving another substance. In solutions of solids or gases in a liquid, the liquid is the solvent.

Al
 
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JeffW said:
My pref is to use boosters instead of QD'rs and my reasoning is very simple... if I am gonna spend any time whats-so-ever pimping my ride I want some more protection added along with the shinners. I'm willing to trade off some shinners for more protection.

So, here are my lists (based solely on prod that I have used and have experience with)...

QD+, in the spray wax category:
1. Crystal Mist (agree w/Killr this is a runaway winner in this category)
2. PB QW+
3. OCW

QD+, in the spray sealant/synthetic category:
1. HGAS
2. AW
3. AJT
4. WG Spray Sealant
5. UPPS

QD:
1. QuikShine
2. PB S&W
3. 4* UGE
4. PB S&G
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What's HGAS, AJT, and OCW?
 
HGAS= Menzernas High Gloss Acrylic Shield; AJT= Acrylic Jett Trigger (this is a standalone LSP); OCW= Optimum Car Wax (can be an LSP).
 
Al-53 said:
Yes..I stand corrected on the chemical...I did forget to add the n-

but the chemical will clean to a point..it is a solvent..it will remove oily finger prints...I am not saying it is a degreaser.. and .it is used as a evaporative agent also...

when my truck was in the shop and I got it back..there was some oily fingerprints on the fender left by the mechanics...I sprayed 425 on the fender and it did in fact remove the the oily oily prints..so it does clean to a point..

n-Butyl acetate is employed as a solvent for a variety of coating resins including epoxies, urethanes, cellulosics, acrylics and vinyls. The major applications for these surface coatings are wood furniture and fixtures, containers and closures, automotive refinishing and maintenance, and marine coatings. Duting the 1990s n-butyl acetate was substituted for solvents such as toluene, xylene, MIBK and MEK, which are classified as hazardous air pollutants (HAPs). Although this substitution has largely completed, consumption of n-butyl acetate is expected to continue growing modestly as in concert with the various coating applications.

Solvent is a substance, usually a liquid, that acts as a dissolving agent or that is capable of dissolving another substance. In solutions of solids or gases in a liquid, the liquid is the solvent.

Al
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Once again: 425 doesn't contain N-Butyl Acetate. It is used for comparison purposes only.
 
Waxmax said:
HGAS= Menzernas High Gloss Acrylic Shield; AJT= Acrylic Jett Trigger (this is a standalone LSP); OCW= Optimum Car Wax (can be an LSP).
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Good point, AJT and OCW are marketed as being worthy as LSPs. Many use them as QD boosters instead of relying on them alone as their LSP.
 
Bence said:
Nononono! FK uses N-Butyl Acetate as a comparison point (a relative number) only. They use N-Butyl Acetate as an example - if it has an evaporation rate of 1, then the given FK material has a ... Just see MSDSs.

Otherwise you are right. An average QD contains around 95-97% water. The others are the main active ingredients and the cleaners. However, not all QDs contain cleaners, because the water is a good solvent alone for this purpose. The wetting of water plus the mechanical abrasion of the towel is enough to take off fingerprints, etc. A very small amount of alcohol is just helping the wetting (where the active ingredients must reach the substrate) without actually harming the coating on the surface. So don't worry; the actives replenish more slickness/protection than the alcohol removes.

BTW, 425 is a non-cleaning QD. If you want to use a cleaning QD from FK1, use the 146.
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THANKS........ Does the 146 leave the same look as the 425???
 
FK1 says that 146 has a slightly lower gloss rating than 425, but real world users told me that they found it just about the same... Unfortunately I haven't used 146, only 425 - but 425 is a religion for me.
 
Bence said:
FK1 says that 146 has a slightly lower gloss rating than 425, but real world users told me that they found it just about the same... Unfortunately I haven't used 146, only 425 - but 425 is a religion for me.
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Thanks for the 146 tip...;)
 
Bence said:
Nononono! FK uses N-Butyl Acetate as a comparison point (a relative number) only. They use N-Butyl Acetate as an example - if it has an evaporation rate of 1, then the given FK material has a ... Just see MSDSs.

Otherwise you are right. An average QD contains around 95-97% water. The others are the main active ingredients and the cleaners. However, not all QDs contain cleaners, because the water is a good solvent alone for this purpose. The wetting of water plus the mechanical abrasion of the towel is enough to take off fingerprints, etc. A very small amount of alcohol is just helping the wetting (where the active ingredients must reach the substrate) without actually harming the coating on the surface. So don't worry; the actives replenish more slickness/protection than the alcohol removes.

BTW, 425 is a non-cleaning QD. If you want to use a cleaning QD from FK1, use the 146.
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Al-53 said:
Yes..I stand corrected on the chemical...I did forget to add the n-

but the chemical will clean to a point..it is a solvent..it will remove oily finger prints...I am not saying it is a degreaser.. and .it is used as a evaporative agent also...

when my truck was in the shop and I got it back..there was some oily fingerprints on the fender left by the mechanics...I sprayed 425 on the fender and it did in fact remove the the oily oily prints..so it does clean to a point..

n-Butyl acetate is employed as a solvent for a variety of coating resins including epoxies, urethanes, cellulosics, acrylics and vinyls. The major applications for these surface coatings are wood furniture and fixtures, containers and closures, automotive refinishing and maintenance, and marine coatings. Duting the 1990s n-butyl acetate was substituted for solvents such as toluene, xylene, MIBK and MEK, which are classified as hazardous air pollutants (HAPs). Although this substitution has largely completed, consumption of n-butyl acetate is expected to continue growing modestly as in concert with the various coating applications.

Solvent is a substance, usually a liquid, that acts as a dissolving agent or that is capable of dissolving another substance. In solutions of solids or gases in a liquid, the liquid is the solvent.

Al
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GOOD GOD MAN! You guys chemists?? I haven't had a chemistry class in 22 years! Now, in english please:D
 
Bence, can you break down the actual chemical makeup of Aquawax ?? I would like to know if it contains these cleaners and solvents that Al is so quick to point out in all other products.
 
:D very funny stuff.......DENGOOD 1 you crack me up:D



GOOD GOD MAN! You guys chemists?? I haven't had a chemistry class in 22 years! Now, in english please


:applause:
 
I have recieved my 425 finally, its pink and smells like cotton candy. But i was surprised at how thin it is, its like as thin as water so I did a search and on autopia one guy said his was thick. Is it supposed to be thin? I hope I dont have a defective bottle.

Anyway I havent tried it yet because its raining so tomorrow I will try it and see how it goes. So far it seems good, I have done what I do with many auto products and used it on my electronics and it works well in that area, just not as good as plexus.
 
Mine is thin, about like any other QD I have used (Quick Shine, Adam's Detail Spray, Duragloss AG, Poorboys, S/G, and on and on and on.) They were all about the same thickness.
 
ron231 said:
I have recieved my 425 finally, its pink and smells like cotton candy. But i was surprised at how thin it is, its like as thin as water so I did a search and on autopia one guy said his was thick. Is it supposed to be thin? I hope I dont have a defective bottle.

Anyway I havent tried it yet because its raining so tomorrow I will try it and see how it goes. So far it seems good, I have done what I do with many auto products and used it on my electronics and it works well in that area, just not as good as plexus.
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YES its thin.......don't worry...just enjoy.....:cheers:
 
QD's

FK425
DG fast Clean and Shine
PB's Spray and Gloss
DP 4n1
Adam's detail spray.

Spray sealants..

DG Aqua wax
 
I have used many brands of QD but Crystal Mist is, hands down, the best of the bunch!!
 
Although PBs S&G states its a QDer..I would only use it after washing your vehicle,waxing,spit shining ,or over a sealant to enhance gloss/depth and to add slickness..IMHO,I doubt that it has any cleaning abilities .02..

BTW, 425 is a non-cleaning QD. If you want to use a cleaning QD from FK1, use the 146.
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As stated by Bence..
 
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joe.p said:
Although PBs S&G states its a QDer..I would only use it after washing your vehicle,waxing,spit shining ,or over a sealant to enhance gloss/depth and to add slickness..IMHO,I doubt that it has any cleaning abilities .02..

As stated by Bence..
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I had to do harder rubbing with Spray and Gloss to remove stuff, so I don't think its a strong cleaner either, more of a gloss enchancer. But I have to say the more I use DG Fast Clean and Shine the more I love it, both it's looks, slickness and cleaning. And I like the smell, can't quite place what it smells like. It's become my go to, I actually haven't used Quickshine in pry a month and that's an excellent qd'er.
 
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