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What am I doing wrong?

I am using Menzerna Super Finish on my black Jetta.

When using my Flex PE8, with a 3" LC Orange pad and working a small area, I get a TON of white powder.

When using my 7424 PC, and a 4" LC Orange pad, barely any powder (speeds 1 to spread, and speed 5-6 to work).

I am not blaming the Menzerna obviously, good German stuff.

Any pointers? I'm a novice obviously, and need some constructive advice. Thank you!
 
Maybe drying to fast on you,not a menzerna user not user friendly being mobile.
 
I'm mobile too. What do you mean not user friendly being mobile? Thank you.

Pads are basically new (used maybe 4-5 times, and always cleaned and dried with pad cleaner).

I believe the Flex PE8 says to not use bigger than 3" pads. I bought it to do headlights/detail buff only. That is my only rotary. My PC is for the full size body panels.
 
M 105 is impossible to use outdoors in the scorching heat,I don't know where you are from but south Florida is a tough as far as certain products.Menzerna products dry up quick in the heat,the pinnacle line and blackfire src and polish will work and the 3D line will do as well.I suspect that the little pad might be your promblem or to little product causes dry buff.Is the menzerna bonding to the paint where it is tough to wipe off.The rotary might be generating to much heat on that little pad,there is a lot of variables.
 
I keep things simple 1 rotary 1 pc and the pads that go along with it,as well as products that work in 95 degree heat.Im not in tune with a these new buffers and special pads I use what works with no promblems.I just finished a 737 with a griots and hd speed zero promblems.
 
Thanks for the responses GSKR

Man, I think you are on to something with the "small pad, too much speed=heat" idea. The 5.5 (I said 4" with the PC, but I brain farted, it is the 5.5") pads work amazing with the Menzerna. MUCH longer work time and better results. With the tiny 3" pad, it even left a few dry spots behind when using the same Menzerna polish. Keep in mind, I did use the slowest speed on the Flex PE8 rotary. I wonder if I went up in pad size, but keep the speed slow and very light pressure if it will perform better-w/o ruining the Flex. I did buy the Flex just for headlights, and need to buy a full size rotary (Probably will stick with Flex since it is so vibration free and quiet...)

So you are saying the Pinnacle and Blackfire brands are better in the heat? Today was not hot at all, high 50's low 60's, I think the heat (if any) issue is directly related to the small pad size.

I need to find a better alternative for the small pads when I use it. I know what you mean on the 105/205. I have it and some days it's great, others horribly powdery...

Anytime I do polishing in direct sun, I am under a canopy, except today since it was cold and the paint was cool all day.
 
VincenzaV said:
Thanks for the responses GSKR

Man, I think you are on to something with the "small pad, too much speed=heat" idea. The 5.5 (I said 4" with the PC, but I brain farted, it is the 5.5") pads work amazing with the Menzerna. MUCH longer work time and better results. With the tiny 3" pad, it even left a few dry spots behind when using the same Menzerna polish. Keep in mind, I did use the slowest speed on the Flex PE8 rotary. I wonder if I went up in pad size, but keep the speed slow and very light pressure if it will perform better-w/o ruining the Flex. I did buy the Flex just for headlights, and need to buy a full size rotary (Probably will stick with Flex since it is so vibration free and quiet...)

So you are saying the Pinnacle and Blackfire brands are better in the heat? Today was not hot at all, high 50's low 60's, I think the heat (if any) issue is directly related to the small pad size.

I need to find a better alternative for the small pads when I use it. I know what you mean on the 105/205. I have it and some days it's great, others horribly powdery...

Anytime I do polishing in direct sun, I am under a canopy, except today since it was cold and the paint was cool all day.
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When using m100 or 105 in the sun,you will need gasoline to remove it lol.you should try the hd speed it can be used on a 160 degree black hood with no streaking or any other promblems.Its my go to product for all most everything good luck.
 
If I was in ny per say menzerna or 105 would work,but not down here the sun is much stronger and a lot of humidity.
 
Hi coquistador.

I tried with two new pads, one adding what I think was a "little" and one pad with "a lot" of product. I didn't see a huge reduction in the powder. Keep in mind, I am a novice, so maybe my "little" is still too much?

Maybe my priming technic on the new pads is wrong too?

What size bead would you recommend on the small 3" foam LC pad and how do you prime a clean pad? Thank you!
 
I think the nature of menzerna maybe causing powder residue.
 
I just checked out that HD Speed. WOW....That looks very promising. Honestly, I haven't really thought about using AIO products because I didn't think they would last. I will absolutely buy that and try it.


***EDIT*** I just bought it (the 32oz bottle). Can't wait to report back on it. Do you wax over it for extra shine or is it truly not needed?

Luckily, I have a black VW Jetta that is 12 years old, but has recently (2 month ago) painted front fenders, rear hatch (its a wagon), and DS door. All due to the rust warranty. So I can compare side by side new dealer paint, to 12 year old paint. Black paint really shows you how good you are and your products. I found the most lint free MF towels I personally have experienced being a novice, and now will only use them on the "wipe off polish stage". Nothing worse than getting a great finish and seeing a billion lint hairs sticking to your paint.
 
First menzerna are great products With menzerna I don't prime the pad. I simply spray the pad with a small spritz of water then add a very small amount of product. Hope this helps. When using small pads it is very easy to over saturate.
 
In my experience dusting is almost always a sign of too much product or pads that haven't been cleaned well enough and old product from the last polishing session still remain. I'm no expert but have experienced similar situations.
 
Thanks for the tip on spraying the pad. I never have done that. I am surgical with my pad cleaning, use Wolfgang after every use same day, so that is not it. It is either still too much product, bad priming, or something else not discussed here.
 
If your working in the sun I would suggest you give Poorboys a try. Their products are made to use in the sun and they really work well. I would still be a little concerned in really high heat, but their products will tell you to be used in direct sunlight. I,ve used them that way but the NC heat is a little different than Florida heat. I still would give their products a try. You will not be disappointed.
 
I would work with the products you have before jumping into something else. It doesn't sound like heat or the sun was the problem. Menzerna products are highly regarded in the detail world. I have a closet full of products because some one said this was better than that. When I truth most successes and failures are caused by technique.
 
You are using to much product. For a 3" pad NO more than 2 pea sized drops are needed.

Super Finish also likes a faster speed. Set your PE8 to speed 2.5 and re accomplish with either one pea sized drop on a seasoned pad, or 2 drops on a fresh pad.

In that cool weather, no polish or compound cares about the temperature. Only when you get to extremes weather it be very cold or extremely hot.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/80973-utilizing-smack-technique-pe14.html
 
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