Why not use coatings?
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ViperGuy21
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Some people(me included)just enjoy waxing and sealing their cars more often than a coating requires. And coatings are expensive lol
Cabrio
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I have also yet to jump into the world of coatings but I am anxiously awaiting my first shipment (Wolfgang UC) this week. For me, it was a matter of not being educated on coatings, somewhat nervous about their "semi permanent nature" and the "look". I have black cars and I have been struggling with the intense glossy look that some of the coatings create on black cars. In some of the pics I have seen, the black car loses that "deep" look, whereas with other color cars, the coatings look incredible! But I know that sometimes pictures don't necessarily capture the "look", so I am now ready to give it a try.
DetailKitty
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What Cabrio said...
It's a matter of price, some people being nervous about applying them and some people just like to wax/seal their cars.
I'm actually going to try it for the first time this spring and coat my Coupe.
It's a matter of price, some people being nervous about applying them and some people just like to wax/seal their cars.
I'm actually going to try it for the first time this spring and coat my Coupe.
Desertnate
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Cost and application were my main barriers, but I'm starting coming around.
When looking at CQuartz it is $60 for a bottle that will cover one medium sized vehicle. A bottle of Collinite 845 is $12 and I've used it on 3 vehicles, twice a year, for three years now and I'm still only half way through the bottle. A single application of Collinite will last me six months, so I find it to be a great value and it's hard to consider any of the coatings when you look at the simple math.
I was also spooked by the application: absolute perfection of the surface, catching the flash *just so* to ensure you level everything perfectly and the need for near perfect environmental conditions.
I picked up the Blackfire coating and I liked it, but I'm not totally sold. My application worries have not gone away. My first application of the coating was not a pleasant experience. Top that with a discovery of a short shelf life which has possibly left me with 3/4 of a bottle of worthless product and I'm not real happy.
HOWEVER! Performance has blown me away compared to my trusty Klasse SG or 845. Durability is in a different class. Appearance was amazing as well. I've also found the car stays much cleaner and is easier to wash. Dust and pollen which would clean to 845 simply rinse off in the rain or with a hose-rinse. Winter road grime glides right off with a gentle swipe of MF mitt when bucket washing.
I'm really torn. The cost and application issues are in direct conflict with the looks, durability, and ease of maintenance.
When looking at CQuartz it is $60 for a bottle that will cover one medium sized vehicle. A bottle of Collinite 845 is $12 and I've used it on 3 vehicles, twice a year, for three years now and I'm still only half way through the bottle. A single application of Collinite will last me six months, so I find it to be a great value and it's hard to consider any of the coatings when you look at the simple math.
I was also spooked by the application: absolute perfection of the surface, catching the flash *just so* to ensure you level everything perfectly and the need for near perfect environmental conditions.
I picked up the Blackfire coating and I liked it, but I'm not totally sold. My application worries have not gone away. My first application of the coating was not a pleasant experience. Top that with a discovery of a short shelf life which has possibly left me with 3/4 of a bottle of worthless product and I'm not real happy.
HOWEVER! Performance has blown me away compared to my trusty Klasse SG or 845. Durability is in a different class. Appearance was amazing as well. I've also found the car stays much cleaner and is easier to wash. Dust and pollen which would clean to 845 simply rinse off in the rain or with a hose-rinse. Winter road grime glides right off with a gentle swipe of MF mitt when bucket washing.
I'm really torn. The cost and application issues are in direct conflict with the looks, durability, and ease of maintenance.
Jaretr1
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Im this guy to! Although I am getting into coatings on some of my cars and have coated my dads car. But I do love using spray waxes and quick detailers and other misc products that do not always play nice or go well with coatings, or coatings make them somewhat obsolete.
Cabrio
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I also looked into the Blackfire coating. My entry into the detailing world was with Blackfire products so I trust the brand. Again, being a total novice when it comes to coatings, application and flash time are variables that make me nervous. When I started to read some posts about "streaks" with the Blackfire coating, I figured this product may require some more advanced experience. I could be totally wrong, but I plead innocence due to my zero experience with coatings. 
I enjoy using AIO's,Finishing Polishes,Waxes and Sealants as I can't not be doing something to my personal cars once they've been corrected. If I coat I'll get bored and it will be removed in a matter of weeks anyways. Were I to coat my personal cars I'll be alot richer as I won't be trying new compounds,polishes,lsp's etc. Waxing is my therapy.
KBsToy
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04accord
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Where are you getting a bottle of 845 for $12??
Everyone's situation is different. Our cars are coated out of convenience. Cost is not a concern of mine, time is the biggest concern for me.
Her new Subaru has very soft paint. Adding a coating gave us a little more protection against swirls and the dirt/grime comes off so easy. The less I have to touch the paint the better.
I have been doing rinseless washes almost exclusively for 2 years. For me it works out, for others it won't.
Coatings can be harder to use (learning curve). But some like WG Uber are as easy as applying a sealant.
I used to really enjoy waxing my car, that was my therapy to relax. But now that I have twin boys they are my therapy to relax, so time I used to spend with the car is now doing stuff with the kids. I appreciate the time savings the coating has provided me.
I figure every 18-20 months I will polish off the remaining coating and reapply.
Her new Subaru has very soft paint. Adding a coating gave us a little more protection against swirls and the dirt/grime comes off so easy. The less I have to touch the paint the better.
I have been doing rinseless washes almost exclusively for 2 years. For me it works out, for others it won't.
Coatings can be harder to use (learning curve). But some like WG Uber are as easy as applying a sealant.
I used to really enjoy waxing my car, that was my therapy to relax. But now that I have twin boys they are my therapy to relax, so time I used to spend with the car is now doing stuff with the kids. I appreciate the time savings the coating has provided me.
I figure every 18-20 months I will polish off the remaining coating and reapply.
Desertnate
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It was three years ago and on sale here. The exact price escapes me, but I paid less than $15. Regardless it is still a real bargain compared to a coating considering I've applied it to two compact cars and and SUV twice a year for three years and the bottle is still half full.
Im not a coating user,although I've experienced many cars that I had the opportunity to apply.I use Blackfire for its price and simplicity on my own personal cars.love the hydrophobic properties,many people just can't or won't spend that kind of money for a correction and coating,they just want a simple detail without the confusion and hype.my business is more of a production type business,there are people who will spend the money for a coating and correction but you have to search hard and long for that clientele.production detailing falls in my lap with zero effort,they call I book see you in 6 months.Busy everyday and turning stuff away.
FUNX650
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It's just so (expletive deleted) difficult to choose
between, and believe, which one of the "Coatings"...
{and their (expletives deleted) puffery}...can/will
actually have attributes that will outweigh other
products in this particular category of LSPs.
And, as it has been alluded to before:
Are some "Coatings" just Super-Sealants?
Bob
between, and believe, which one of the "Coatings"...
{and their (expletives deleted) puffery}...can/will
actually have attributes that will outweigh other
products in this particular category of LSPs.
And, as it has been alluded to before:
Are some "Coatings" just Super-Sealants?
Bob
zx10r Elle
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Mr andy2485,
My response is : complexity, scheduled time requirement to avoid moisture contamination, potential loss of comparatively high investment of capital, confusion regarding application methods, achievement of immaculate surface for optimal adherence of the coating(s) to bond with, variable chance of contamination during application procedure, static environment benefit, temperate climate. Many times the environment cannot be too cold, too hot, too humid, or too arid, all these factors affect many coatings, although the coatings are advancing to not be so affected, this fact still remains salient for many of them.
Personally I ended up discarding a C1 + EXO combination as I was unable to secure an enclosed environment for the approximate 2 day investment of time to cover all variables with the EXO over C1 system. As such that loss of investment shocked me into a more diligent and cautious research and planning program for the next coating attempt.
I agree coatings provide a significant benefit over even sealants since they reduce the frequency with which surface washing is required during their greatly increased longevity over even strong sealants while also providing increased levels of uv protection and contaminant repellency, and as we know, the less we touch the paint, the less damage ultimately occurs.
Over time most likely coatings will entirely replace sealants altogether but for now theres still complexity issues.
Steve
My response is : complexity, scheduled time requirement to avoid moisture contamination, potential loss of comparatively high investment of capital, confusion regarding application methods, achievement of immaculate surface for optimal adherence of the coating(s) to bond with, variable chance of contamination during application procedure, static environment benefit, temperate climate. Many times the environment cannot be too cold, too hot, too humid, or too arid, all these factors affect many coatings, although the coatings are advancing to not be so affected, this fact still remains salient for many of them.
Personally I ended up discarding a C1 + EXO combination as I was unable to secure an enclosed environment for the approximate 2 day investment of time to cover all variables with the EXO over C1 system. As such that loss of investment shocked me into a more diligent and cautious research and planning program for the next coating attempt.
I agree coatings provide a significant benefit over even sealants since they reduce the frequency with which surface washing is required during their greatly increased longevity over even strong sealants while also providing increased levels of uv protection and contaminant repellency, and as we know, the less we touch the paint, the less damage ultimately occurs.
Over time most likely coatings will entirely replace sealants altogether but for now theres still complexity issues.
Steve
silverfox
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Coatings are not for everybody. Those who enjoy regular maintenance and experimentation should not waste their time with coatings. Those who can only work outside should avoid coatings. Those who hate the idea of messing up and having to polish off the coating to fix it should avoid coatings. Those who haven't the time to to properly polish and prep the surface to a perfectly clean surface should avoid coatings. These are only some of the reasons not counting cost and the level of experience needed to do it right.
:iagree:
FUNX650
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•Taking a couple of cues from "Current Events"...
-The Wharton School of Business (WSoB) teaches
that it's not so much the price range
(low, high or middle);
-or, even the adage: "Charge what the market
will bear"...that best defines pricing.
•Instead it's:
-What's the price that maximizes profit?
•The best answer for that question is, according
to the WSoB, "price-segmentation"—defined as:
-the creation of smaller segments that consist of
customers with a similar willingness to pay a given
amount for a given product.
•That definition, IMO;
-fits the "Coatings" segment like a kid glove.
-(And No...I don't mean OJ's!)
Bob