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Hi can anyone guide me to a good article on why seal before wax, or if someone wants to explain why i should seal a car that i plan on waxing anyway thanks
 
Sealant typically lasts longer than wax. I put power lock on my dad's Buick in October, my brother did his car at the same time they are both still beading water nicely,not as much as after it was first put on ,but still significantly better than any car I see in any parking lot parking lot. Wax is usually goox for 1-2 months, unless its Colinite.
 
Sealing:
-You don't have to seal the paint with a Sealant.
Instead:
-You can just go ahead and seal the paint with
a Wax, or another type of LSP (ex.: 'Coating').


Layering/Topping:
-You don't ever have to apply an LSP (including Sealants)...
and then apply any other type of LSP (including Waxes)...
on top of it.


And...IMO:
No "peripheral-articles" were needed in this case.


Bob
 
DogRescuer said:
Hi can anyone guide me to a good article on why seal before wax, or if someone wants to explain why i should seal a car that i plan on waxing anyway thanks
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IMHO, it's mostly a waste of time. I believe the solvents from most waxes will strip the sealant right off. Instead, just use a durable hybrid wax.

Waxes can be 30% + solvent. Although fancy waxes may have fancy solvents, most waxes are loaded with mineral spirits and the like. MS will easily remove any sealant out there.

The way "wax" works is the solvent evaporates (or wax "hazes") quickly when it's spread on a panel (large surface area exposed to atmosphere). Once most of the solvent evaporates, you buff off the remnants of the other components in the "wax", leaving behind a protective layer.

Since the wax is solvent laden when you apply it (it must be or it wouldn't spread) - the act of applying the wax would emulsify and destroy the sealant layer as part of the process.
 
DogRescuer said:
Hi can anyone guide me to a good article on why seal before wax, or if someone wants to explain why i should seal a car that i plan on waxing anyway thanks
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I guess I am going to be in the minority on this one. People say sealing and then layering is a waste of time.

I completely disagree. I always apply a sealant and then top off with a wax. IMO the sealant adds longevity and the wax adds the depth, gloss and wet-look.

I did my own experiments with just sealant, wax or 2 coats of wax or sealant, etc. To me, the sealant/wax was the best. Again, this is for me.

As for everyone else that disagrees so be it. IMO the sealant topped with a wax is the best.

Seeing everyone else's post thinking it's a waste of time...OK to you it is...to me not so.

BASH AWAY!!!
 
The OP's question seems to suggest that waxing after a sealant is more of a recommended practice. It is not and is simply a matter of individual practice and choice. There will be, as already evidenced, many different opinions of doing it or not.

I am a sealant only person. The only time i top with a carnauba "topping" is for the 2 seasonal love bug infestations we get in FL. And i only layer it on the high impact areas...side view mirrors and nose. In my experience the bug guts just simply wash off easier for me from the "topped" sections.
 
There should be no bashing your entitled to your opinion. Thanks 4 all the info, I've been using c845 and loving it .
 
And no bashing from me, kamakazi! One of the things i get the most out of at this place is simply different opinions, practices, approaches etc. Be secure in what you do. You like it and that, to me, is what's important. I never bash anyone for doing something different.
 
Puckman said:
And no bashing from me, kamakazi! One of the things i get the most out of at this place is simply different opinions, practices, approaches etc. Be secure in what you do. You like it and that, to me, is what's important. I never bash anyone for doing something different.
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Thank you everyone!!! Please excuse me....it is my time of the month even though I am a male!!! LOL!!!
 
Kamakaz1961 said:
Thank you everyone!!! Please excuse me....it is my time of the month even though I am a male!!! LOL!!!
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Bob
 
Maybe I'm slow Bob but I have a hard time understanding your points at times. ..
 
I got ya Bob...loud and clear...and am still laughing!!!
 
Kamakaz1961 said:
I guess I am going to be in the minority on this one. People say sealing and then layering is a waste of time.



I completely disagree. I always apply a sealant and then top off with a wax. IMO the sealant adds longevity and the wax adds the depth, gloss and wet-look.



I did my own experiments with just sealant, wax or 2 coats of wax or sealant, etc. To me, the sealant/wax was the best. Again, this is for me.



As for everyone else that disagrees so be it. IMO the sealant topped with a wax is the best.



Seeing everyone else's post thinking it's a waste of time...OK to you it is...to me not so.



BASH AWAY!!!
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No bashing from me as I do the same. What metrics did you use to determine the sealant/wax was the "best"?
 
swanicyouth said:
Since the wax is solvent laden when you apply it (it must be or it wouldn't spread) - the act of applying the wax would emulsify and destroy the sealant layer as part of the process.
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I'm sure that is true, but isn't it also possible that a good sealant and a careful (not to much rubbing in) application of wax might allow the wax to be applied without completely removing the sealant? I'd hate to think that "The Perfect Shine" and the aforementioned wet-fire-over-ice or whatever it was, was simply marketing hooey. Of course there is a lot of that going around.

EDIT: Maybe more to the point, does this mean that "durable" glazes like Prima Amigo, Poorboy's Black Hole, etc., don't work either if you top them with a wax? Or even with a sealant? Since sealants usually have some sort of solvent carrier even if they are "water-based".
 
All I can think is, that:
•Something pretty serious must have happened during the last two (+) years for Steve to now have such a drastic (total reversal?) change of opinion, in regards to the results of Sealants having Waxes applied over them.

-To me: The summarizations of his opinions, for his prior Sealants' testing results, seem to bear this out.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/60869-menzerna-powerlock-little-test.html

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ock-blackhole-wolfgang-dgps-blackfire-wd.html

•Excerpted from the immediately-above thread:
swanicyouth said:
5. I've always been a little skeptical of applying a sealant under a wax. I always had some "doubt" - like the wax may be removing the sealant and you are actually just seeing the wax beading. Or, possibly, that they are "mixing". After doing this test, I have no doubt sealants are holding tight below the wax. If I recall correctly, a sealant "bonds to itself"/cross links - not to the paint. A coating actually bonds to the paint (for the most part). I believe now that a topper wax can just "sit" on top of a sealant, that it doesn't "mix" or remove it.

I was actually starting to get away from applying a sealant under a wax, and just using a wax only. After seeing how tough and chemical resistant these sealants really are, I will continue to use them under a wax and after a paint cleaner or over a glaze without hesitation...
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Bob
 
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