Why the hype about water beading?

[FUNX650]

Can you take a run at this again in layman's terms? I left my sonic screwdriver at the office so I can't decode it.lol

Sure...But please excuse the mess:
I was doing the figure-ing quite early this cold, snowy, Saturday morn.





Yours truly,
Bob "Bojangles" Robinson

 

[PiPUK]

The only hope is for Professional field , and that's why I personally come to this forum, to learn more about the hard data and tested results, so I can apply those when detailing my own cars.

A question in point: Can you recommended (having a first hand knowledge) the best product out there to use for waxing/sealing? I mean NOT one that looks, smells and s*its the best, but one that is TRUE to purpose?

Pro arena is tough too. Most professional care products
go to volume traders so are very price sensitive (to the point that a better price almost always gets the business). Referring to the UK, the detailing scene has not really improved in recent years. We have a lot of very average products from brands which spend a lot on marketing, give away freebies, pay high profile detailers to use (etc.) and which have almost fanatical following. Clearly the marketing is superb but the bottom line is that these are supposedly the high end automotive care guys and they too are getting misled. Admittedly, a lot of guys realise that the general community is suffering but no one bothers talking about it in public - I have heard of threats of physical violence when certain brands are bad mouthed in public!

As for the best products, first I would be biased because I make my own and second, I could not mention any because it would compromise customer confidentiality and also pee-off AG since I do not pay anything to advertise!

I apologise here as I have taken this somewhat off topic. In a perfect world, we would have super hydrophobic surfaces, water would form spheres and the beading would be off the scale. Surfaces would be easy to clean, difficult to soil and worth jumping up and down about.

 

[swanicyouth]

Sure...But please excuse the mess:
I was doing the figure-ing quite early this cold, snowy, Saturday morn.





Yours truly,
Bob "Bojangles" Robinson

Bob, did you blow your brains out because your paint wasn't beading?

 

[wlshephard]

That has nothing to do with beading or sheeting. It does how ever show alien life is real and a workable version of cold fusion.

Sure...But please excuse the mess:
I was doing the figure-ing quite early this cold, snowy, Saturday morn.





Yours truly,
Bob "Bojangles" Robinson

 

[FUNX650]

That has nothing to do with beading or sheeting.
It does how ever show alien life is real and a workable version of cold fusion.

^^^A distinct possibility!^^^

In my case:
Ever since the first time I was dropped on my head (started when I was a very young child):
Phrenology has been: "the name of the game"!!

Bob

 

[BlackHawk]

The main reason i love seeing super strong beads on my car is that it gives me the notion that if the water is being repelled so well than other things like dirt and grime are being repelled better at some rate as well.

Me personally i havent found a better winner for beads than Sonax Polymer NetSheild. Its mind blowingly good!

 

[wlshephard]

I guess my problem is when I had brain surgery in 97 they must have removed the water beading part with the tumor.

In my case:
Ever since the first time I was dropped on my head (started when I was a very young child):
Phrenology has been: "the name of the game"!!

Bob

 

[FUNX650]

I guess my problem is when I had brain surgery in 97 they must have removed the water beading part with the tumor.

Is this proof, then, that:
Whomsoever says you have to be a brain surgeon to understand the nuances of detailing has, as their Father:

...the Devil; and the lusts of their father they will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own:
For he is a liar, and the father of it. ~ John 8:44

Or, rather:
Would the polar opposite be true?


Special NOTE:
Glad to see you're doing alright, OP!!

Bob

 

[carenthusiast]

Pro arena is tough too. Most professional care products
go to volume traders so are very price sensitive (to the point that a better price almost always gets the business). Referring to the UK, the detailing scene has not really improved in recent years. We have a lot of very average products from brands which spend a lot on marketing, give away freebies, pay high profile detailers to use (etc.) and which have almost fanatical following. Clearly the marketing is superb but the bottom line is that these are supposedly the high end automotive care guys and they too are getting misled. Admittedly, a lot of guys realise that the general community is suffering but no one bothers talking about it in public - I have heard of threats of physical violence when certain brands are bad mouthed in public!

As for the best products, first I would be biased because I make my own and second, I could not mention any because it would compromise customer confidentiality and also pee-off AG since I do not pay anything to advertise!

I apologise here as I have taken this somewhat off topic. In a perfect world, we would have super hydrophobic surfaces, water would form spheres and the beading would be off the scale. Surfaces would be easy to clean, difficult to soil and worth jumping up and down about.

PiPUK,
If you or anyone can't honestly say on public forum what product they believe works best (just because you don't pay AG an advertisement fees), then what is the use of coming here and asking questions?

If you were in US and was threatened by physical violence for sharing your thoughts about some product, I would be able to help you (I could PM you and point you to tort lawyers who would take your case for free and bring them to justice), but I don't think there is anything I can think of if this is what you are facing in Ireland.

In any event, I start to realize that the best way to figure out what works best is to go to a junk yard, get some painted piece of a car (like a hood, trunk) and then try various products and methods. If all we hear are hired heads who make money to spout lies, then why waste time asking questions, anywhere?

P.S. Some interesting inside story at Former exec in Irvine says he was fired over religion - Christopher Goffard, LATimes.com - RichardDawkins.net

 

[wlshephard]

What is your recommendation for a sealants, waxes or coatings that will sheet water and let it run off instead of bead it on the market?

PiPUK,
If you or anyone can't honestly say on public forum what product they believe works best (just because you don't pay AG an advertisement fees), then what is the use of coming here and asking questions?

If you were in US and was threatened by physical violence for sharing your thoughts about some product, I would be able to help you (I could PM you and point you to tort lawyers who would take your case for free and bring them to justice), but I don't think there is anything I can think of if this is what you are facing in Ireland.

In any event, I start to realize that the best way to figure out what works best is to go to a junk yard, get some painted piece of a car (like a hood, trunk) and then try various products and methods. If all we hear are hired heads who make money to spout lies, then why waste time asking questions, anywhere?

P.S. Some interesting inside story at Former exec in Irvine says he was fired over religion - Christopher Goffard, LATimes.com - RichardDawkins.net

 

[FUNX650]

PiPUK,
If you or anyone can't honestly say on public forum what product they believe works best (just because you don't pay AG an advertisement fees), then what is the use of coming here and asking questions?

If you were in US and was threatened by physical violence for sharing your thoughts about some product, I would be able to help you (I could PM you and point you to tort lawyers who would take your case for free and bring them to justice), but I don't think there is anything I can think of if this is what you are facing in Ireland.

In any event, I start to realize that the best way to figure out what works best is to go to a junk yard, get some painted piece of a car (like a hood, trunk) and then try various products and methods. If all we hear are hired heads who make money to spout lies, then why waste time asking questions, anywhere?

Disclaimer: I'm not PiPUK (so I don't know if this counts or not?)


Just curious:
What's the next course of action if:
I tell you what, exactly, is: IMHO...the "best product" in/for my circumstances;
and: You, then, try the same product I've alleged to be the best...
only to discover that somehow or the other it's a "bust", instead?

Would a proviso: "regarding tort", as it were...
still be in the offering plate for someone that
may be accused of providing false information?

TO WIT:

Beading/sheeting aside:
I highly recommend Meguiar's #26 for folks that want a product that is capable of
providing the highest level of D.O.I. this side of: The Great Andromeda Nebula!!



Bob

 

[swanicyouth]

Just found this podcast on the subject give it a listen. It is the Drive and Protect podcast where there interviewing Jason Rose from Mequiar's. Its two parts but worth a listen.

Paint Coatings, Steam Machine, Cuttings Pads with Jason Rose of Meguiar's: Part 1 | Jason Rose Meguiars, Larry Kosilla, Drive and Protect, Drive & Protect | Drive and Protect Podcast

Part-2 Jason Rose Interview: Coatings Good or Bad? | Jason Rose Meguiars, Larry Kosilla, Drive Clean, Drive + Protect podcast | Drive and Protect Podcast

Wow. Every AutoGeek needs to listen to this. Jason Rose is really knowledgeable and interesting. A lot of info on beading and coatings in Pt II.

 

[wlshephard]

You are not kidding. I wish everyone who comments or commented on this thread would listen to this and come back and re-comment. I wish this kind of info was more accessible all the time. If you ever find any expert in depth info like this let me know.

Wow. Every AutoGeek needs to listen to this. Jason Rose is really knowledgeable and interesting. A lot of info on beading and coatings in Pt II.

 

[Klasse Act]

It does look cool, heck there's even a thread with pics of water beading!

Sent from my SPH-M930 using AG Online

 

[FUNX650]

Wow. Every AutoGeek needs to listen to this. Jason Rose is really knowledgeable and interesting.
A lot of info on beading and coatings in Pt II.

You are not kidding. I wish everyone who comments or commented on this thread would listen to this and come back and re-comment.
I wish this kind of info was more accessible all the time.

^^^Definitely!^^^

If you ever find any expert in depth info like this let me know.

-Meguiar's, its forum, and its folks like Jason and Michael, are excellent sources for "detailing details".

-AGO's Mike Phillips (an alumni of Meguiar's) has, literally:
A Ton of detailing articles (YES!!...They have been weighed)...that are also highly informative as well.


-

/Kindle: TOGWT; and:

-

: Kevin Brown; Todd Helme; Ketch...
for other expert in-depth detailing-information.

-My opinions/comments are just that:
Opinions/Comments...Opinions/Comments based solely on my Life-experiences
during my: So far allotted time, here on Earth. (What are they worth?!?!)

Bob

 

[hernandez.art13]

^ I'm actually listening to it right now. I am on the diversify part

 

[CowboyTruckn]

As soon as I get a break at work. I'm tuning in to it.

 

[wlshephard]

I take your opinons as seriously as you present it. But if you read your posts in this thread I don't know what to think.

^^^Definitely!^^^



-Meguiar's, its forum, and its folks like Jason and Michael, are excellent sources for "detailing details".

-AGO's Mike Phillips (an alumni of Meguiar's) has, literally:
A Ton of detailing articles (YES!!...They have been weighed)...that are also highly informative as well.


-

/Kindle: TOGWT; and:

-

: Kevin Brown; Todd Helme; Ketch...
for other expert in-depth detailing-information.

-My opinions/comments are just that:
Opinions/Comments...Opinions/Comments based solely on my Life-experiences
during my: So far allotted time, here on Earth. (What are they worth?!?!)

Bob

 

[swanicyouth]

People like to see beading for a simple reason. Because, we know clean naked paint won't bead - if it does (and sometimes it does), it's not the tight spherical beads you get with a good LSP. And we know, a car usually beads very well the first time it gets wet after being waxed. So, it's not a stretch to think "beading equals fresh (healthy?) wax". It's also one of the only benchmarks that is easily measured to show SOMETHING you applied is still on the paint. We know wax degrades over time and we know beading will degrade over time. So, one assumes if the beading hasn't degraded a large degree - the LSP hasn't either. I don't think this logic takes a huge stretch of faith to buy into.

What else is the layperson supposed to use? I guess you COULD go by the LSP manufacturers' recommendation of apply every X number of months???

 

[wlshephard]

Point taken. Thanks