Your Definition of a Basic Exterior Detail

I am completely mobile and the rig doesn't move for less than $50 and that's if it's close by. I couldn't sustain a business doing $25 washes for 1-2 hours of work. You have to play your market and see what your worth and what people are charging around you.

I have a supervisor that also runs a detailing business on the side and he tells me all about how he goes everywhere and knocks out 3 or 4 cars a day for 20-35 bucks a piece and is usually home by 2. I told him I can spend time on 1 car and pull that just for a basic wash and spray wax. He kind of gave me a dumbfounded look on his face like he just had an epiphany.

The worst part is I still get told on a regular basis that my prices don't do my work justice. Although I don't feel comfortable raising my prices, the referrals I get from happy customers gets me tenfold or more what I'd make if I charged more.

As far as a basic exterior detail goes, wheels, gas cap, and tires cleaned, 2BM, ww towel dry with D156 as a drying aid. If you're consistent and effective, you'll have a repeat customer and the possibility of more work.

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Mike you SERIOUSLY NEED TO RAISE YOUR PRICES!
I mean if your customers are telling you they are getting too much for their money, then they ARE.

Your 'basic exterior' sounds somewhat similar to mine. I'll do a 2BM combo foam cannon or 1BM / foam cannon (rinsing the mitt each time). Then do wheels, gas cap, wheel wells, blow dry & towel with 156 or DG951, quick wipe on the jambs, windows inside/out, hyper dressing in the wheel wells @ 3:1 and on the other plastic, and either 1:1 or DP Tire gel or Opti-Bond on the tires. (Tire dressing depend on the car and the customer.)

That'll run $50~$75. And honestly, if they don't want to pay it, they can go to someone that doesn't give a crap. Everyone I've done always comes back. That is your measure of success btw. If they REALLY don't like your pricing versus the work you did they'll go somewhere else. If the LOVE the work you did they'll come back always.

I wash dealers cars and only do exterior washes using the dealers water. I hand wash the car twice to make sure I don't miss any dirt, scrub the tires and wheels, dry the car, and dress the tires for $5 a car. Some dealers turn me down on this price because they feel it's too high.

I cleaned 16 cars two weeks ago for $80 by myself. I washed every car twice, scrubbed the tires and wheels, dried all 16 cars and dressed the tires on all of them -- $5 each x 16 = $80. I may not be charging enough.

I've seen you mention this before.
Please tell me that all this is just a big funny you're pulling on us. Please say it is.

You do realize that the guys, (all of them that is) sitting in the sales office are laughing their a$$es off at what they are doing to you, right?

Anyone can lose money, that is easy to do, REALLY easy to do. You can go to the gas station and put gas in other peoples cars and do better than washing cars for $5 bucks.

You need to seriously sit down and look at what you are spending and look at your profit margins. Your time is something all by itself and is another matter. We'll just look at your profit (actually loss as it is with $5 washes) for now.

You need to take your gas receipts for the month. Cell phone bill, insurance bill (even if you don't have any business insurance, only car insurance), all your detailing and washing supplies, credit card payments (maybe only making minimum payments), business cards, forms, printer paper and ink, and everything else you can remotely link to the business. Even your home phone and internet cost if you're using business email, and take any calls from home.

All these items will break down to a cost per month, or cost per day figure.

Now you also need to add in your truck/car payment. Now figure out how long your tires last, brakes last, how often you're doing oil changes. That cost brakes down to a cost per mile figure.

I owned a towing business for 18 years and while I didn't mind doing local garage work, they were NOT my favorite guys to work for. I was very selective about who I'd do work for BECAUSE the small shops are the worst ones when it comes to rates.

Back in the 90's you could get $45 minimum for a rollback tow (all my trucks were rollbacks). Yet the small shops only wanted to pay $35. Some you'd do because they typically didn't have the "get it right now" time constraints that dealerships had so you could work them in during the day. But even those you'd take on sometimes just to keep the other guy from getting them.

So you do a shop for a while and once he finds he really likes your service, you don't damage any vehicles, and you even give him a freebie here and there you start telling him you really need to raise your rate to $45 (like every other small shop in town). So you do, and it seems fine.

Meanwhile... some young gun has gone down to Southern Wrecker Sales (that was the local guys back then, plus there is another one) and he's bought a brand spanking new rollback and has NEW tires, NEW brakes and figures he's set for life. He's hungry come first truck payment so he goes around town telling shops he'll tow for $25~$30. Your shops don't use him because that's only $5 less than you're charging so they send him on his way. Well once you go up to $45 they start looking for the card "that kid left" and you end up losing that account. No big deal because it wasn't a cash cow, but it was a CASH ACCOUNT. (IE you may not have been reporting the income.... like that never happens of course.) ;)


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But lets get back to that cost per mile figure. I had it worked out to 47¢ per mile it took for me to even MOVE a truck. That was from where I was AT to where I was going. So round trip was 92¢. Anything less than $1.25 per mile (plus a higher hook up fee) or $1.50 per mile (slightly less hook up fee), was something I just wasn't going to do. The guys out there in the new trucks that didn't have any maintenance due yet thought $1.00 per mile was making money, not realizing they were not even making 10¢ a loaded mile once it was all said and done. :rolleyes:

My wife used to get on to me some days when it was slow, or raining and I didn't want to slog around in it all day fighting traffic with work I could put off till tomorrow, and I'd sit home and do nothing. I'd tell her I'd rather sit home and go in the hole than go ride around town looking for work and go DEEPER in the hole.

Same thing for you brother! ;)

Just don't get so caught up in the fact that you need to stay busy just for the sake of staying busy that you lose money doing it. I mean when you can wash one car and dry it (by hand), hit the outsides of the tires, slap some shine on them and charge $25 then why in the world would you do FIVE cars for that much. :dunno:

Not blasting ya' dude, just saying you should be telling these guys you are not going to let them rip you off anymore. Just don't need to be spending more than you're making, every day you leave home. ;)
 
Just my opinion, but also. You are an AGO member. So you probably know a lot more than other guys.

That's what people go to school for and get degrees. So they know more than the other guy who doesn't.

Not saying go in there and start making demands. (That probably won't go so well)

But at least realize that you are worth more, and start being it.

Just saying, but at least your out there busting your butt off working. So props on that.

There are other AGO members here just looking out for you.

Good Luck,

Art
 
I appreciate all the info and I'm not joking with anyone, I really do wash, dry, clean wheels, and dress the tires on the dealers lot for $5 a car.
 
You're above par with $5/lot washing. But what matters is your time frame.
Most lot washers I know make two fitty - $3, but do 30 cars in 2-3 hours tops. Have 2-3 lots per day.
Gonna be hard to negotiate from now until tax season opens up.

agree with this guy on the price. $5 is high for a car lot maintenance wash.

I say if youre gonna continue doing car lot washes, do less work for that price. cut some corners and dont worry so much about doing your best work.

example:
definitely cut out the second wash on each car
consider just rinsing and drying on dusty cars
use cheap products and keep it simple (soap, cheap mitts or wash brush, synthetic chamois/water blade, cheapest bulk tire dressing diluted as much as possible)
work fast and put quality after that

this is terrible advice for someone that frequents the autogeek board, but its coming from someone that has worked and currently works on car lots and understands how cheap 99% of them are. they much prefer a good price over quality and wont be able to tell the difference between rinsing and drying versus washing twice, drying, scrubbing tires and dressing them

save the time and energy and care for good paying clients and leave the production quality work for clients who wont pay or dont do them at all
 
^ (not sure the proper wording)

But you also don't want to be known as the $5 guy. :dunno:

But if it works, then it works.

Just saying
 
Vegas Transplant is right. Lot washes are cheap and that's above par. But if you want to make any sort of living on it, you need very high volume.

Like what Hernandez said, i don't wanna be selling one dollar double cheese burgers, i'd rather be selling prime steak. Or at least choice, geeze.

I would advise to use this as a way to gain experience. You start off as a Private in the Army, build yourself up to a Sergeant.

ABC: Always Be Selling. Point out defects in the cars to the used car manager, offer a solution and do a test spot, and provide a cost/benefit analysis. It'll cost $75-100 to single stage AIO polish/wax/dress interior a used car, but it'll sell twice as fast and increase the value by $500-750. A simple $35 to polish and seal these headlights and it'll sell much faster and increase the value by $300-400. Build your portfolio and get out of the lot wash business.
 
Keep it simple you'll make more and have more free time. You want to have three core packages, The Express where you offer a wash and wax with a basic vacuum, dress the tires and deodorize the interior start this package at $50 and go up. The second package is a mini detail were you detail the outside wash and wax do a better vacuum and do the interior glass as well as deodorize the interior and wipe it down. Start this package @ $100 and go up. The last package is the premium one were you do a complete detail inside and out (thorough cleaning only) everything from the first two packages and more and start that package at $200 and go up. Clay Bar, sealants, overspray, fallout water spots are all upsells. Never promise anything that is going to require too much time in your packages that can be used as an up sell. Hand waxes and paint sealants are all up sell items never include your money maker in your package or you won't make any. Hand waxes start @ $100 (additional) and go up depending on size. Sealants start @$150 (additional) and go up depending on size. I do a basic clay bar if the surface isn't too bad but if there is heavy overspray or fallout I up charge depending on the amount of time and effort and if claying the car is going to cause marring charge them to have the car polished after. The goal is to make $100 an hour. Not $40. Think of it this way if a customer called you to their house they most likely don't want to detail their car themselves so they are pretty much willing to pay the price for quality work. Charging your friends these prices is another story. I do 2-stage buffs for $100 for friends if I have the time money is money. Anyway don't sell yourself short or the Detailer with confidence is going to be the one with respect and you will be stuck making no money and struggling. Hope this helps.
 
Mike you SERIOUSLY NEED TO RAISE YOUR PRICES!
I mean if your customers are telling you they are getting too much for their money, then they ARE.

Your 'basic exterior' sounds somewhat similar to mine. I'll do a 2BM combo foam cannon or 1BM / foam cannon (rinsing the mitt each time). Then do wheels, gas cap, wheel wells, blow dry & towel with 156 or DG951, quick wipe on the jambs, windows inside/out, hyper dressing in the wheel wells @ 3:1 and on the other plastic, and either 1:1 or DP Tire gel or Opti-Bond on the tires. (Tire dressing depend on the car and the customer.)

That'll run $50~$75. And honestly, if they don't want to pay it, they can go to someone that doesn't give a crap. Everyone I've done always comes back. That is your measure of success btw. If they REALLY don't like your pricing versus the work you did they'll go somewhere else. If the LOVE the work you did they'll come back.

In my defense, it's my first year of business and I have started to gradually raise my prices but I'm primarily focused on customer base. My detailing business is strictly part time and I make my own schedule.


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Thanks guys. I was merely curious what the market prices were amongst this crowd. No intention of making this into an actual business, personally, but would like to figure out how much I could charge friends/family to cover expenses. I think you guys answered it for me.


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Vegas Transplant is right. Lot washes are cheap and that's above par. But if you want to make any sort of living on it, you need very high volume.

Like what Hernandez said, i don't wanna be selling one dollar double cheese burgers, i'd rather be selling prime steak. Or at least choice, geeze.

I would advise to use this as a way to gain experience. You start off as a Private in the Army, build yourself up to a Sergeant.

ABC: Always Be Selling. Point out defects in the cars to the used car manager, offer a solution and do a test spot, and provide a cost/benefit analysis. It'll cost $75-100 to single stage AIO polish/wax/dress interior a used car, but it'll sell twice as fast and increase the value by $500-750. A simple $35 to polish and seal these headlights and it'll sell much faster and increase the value by $300-400. Build your portfolio and get out of the lot wash business.

I appreciate all the info and I'm not joking with anyone, I really do wash, dry, clean wheels, and dress the tires on the dealers lot for $5 a car.

Marc these three are probably the best advice so far brother. ;)

I wouldn't be afraid of that "water blade" when your whipping out $5 washes. They are paying for the very least they can and honestly don't care how you dry it. The 'blade' alone will save you probably 75% off your drying time. :) Heck, I know a high end detailer that uses them all the time on $100+ car washes! :eek: (I certainly wouldn't, not in my worst nightmares, but I've seen it done.) :rolleyes:
 
Wow I am shocked to see such low prices! My exterior details start at $175. Never had a problem with people thinking the price was too high. I study my craft and offer great service. I treat my clients like family. Remember, people are ultimately paying for you! Some of you need to ask yourself "How much am I worth". :xyxthumbs:
 
Pressure rinse the car and jambs.
Dry with leaf blower.
Rub tire shine on the tires.
 
Wow I am shocked to see such low prices! My exterior details start at $175. Never had a problem with people thinking the price was too high. I study my craft and offer great service. I treat my clients like family. Remember, people are ultimately paying for you! Some of you need to ask yourself "How much am I worth". :xyxthumbs:

I think were seeing a few low prices because the definition of a basic exterior detail is very vague. I only charge $120 but it's for only about 2-3 hours of work, so I consider that pretty high for my area. I'm fully confident that my "basic" detail is better than probably all of the other shop's (in my area) best detail.

Like I said before though, not only do I rarely perform a basic detail (because I usually upsell), I normally do exterior and interior combined. It's better money.

I don't mess with piddly washes and waxes and very basic stuff. (besides my maintenance program which is billed monthly and guaranteed work) It's a scheduling nightmare and there's no money in it.
 
Wow I am shocked to see such low prices! My exterior details start at $175. Never had a problem with people thinking the price was too high. I study my craft and offer great service. I treat my clients like family. Remember, people are ultimately paying for you! Some of you need to ask yourself "How much am I worth". :xyxthumbs:[/QUOTE

This sounds like a really nice price you are getting for an exterior detail. What does this exterior detail include for $175.00?
 
Wow I am shocked to see such low prices! My exterior details start at $175. Never had a problem with people thinking the price was too high. I study my craft and offer great service. I treat my clients like family. Remember, people are ultimately paying for you! Some of you need to ask yourself "How much am I worth". :xyxthumbs:

What are you doing for $175?
 
Wow I am shocked to see such low prices! My exterior details start at $175.


I mean no offense.
I see that you're in Potomac.
The first time in life (as a child) that I saw REAL Beverly Hillbillies style neighborhoods of grand mansions, and rolling estates was in your zip code.


Just sayin' Im the MAN
 
LOL we should mention location along with our asking prices. I'm sure a detailer would charge a bit more in Palm Springs compared to Compton!
 
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