Your favorite AIO - with good cutting ability

Just wanted to thank everyone for their helpful replies! It amazes me how helpful the people on this forum are. Special thanks to Tato for your very informative reply and allenk4 for posting that chart :xyxthumbs:


My last question (for now) is a little off the topic. On a typical AIO detail, how many pads do you guys go through on say a mid size car? I planed on using an orange pad for it's light cutting ability (only if the car's finish needs it of course) and heard that the pad should be wiped off with a clean towel after every panel?
 
RPPM said:
I prefer Poorboys Polish with Sealant. I have also picked up some Griots One Step Sealant, but have not been able to use it. I plan on trying this coming weekend.

The Poorboys PwS is very user friendly, and you can buy larger amounts of it directly from Poorboys. It has decent cut depending on the pad, can be used in full sun, and is trim friendly. Nice orange scent.
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Agreed, loved this product ever since I used it. Now that I think about it, I need to order more. Never used 151, maybe I should order that too.

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I use chemical guys V4 extreme all in one polish and sealant I love it


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Great question ive been wanting to get d151 but also learned today on detailing buddies FB that HD Speed is a really good AIO
 
VP Mark said:
Optimum GPS or HD Speed. Have used both immensely over the years and they are fantastic products.

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I agree. I used GPS more because we don't have HD distributor over here.
 
BobbyG said:
Meguiar's D151 is sort of in a class of it's own. There's aren't many all-in-one products capable of correcting finish imperfections, most contain chemical cleaners.

Meguiar's D151 has the ability to correct, fills slightly, and leaves behind some level of protection....

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Meguiar's D151
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I agree, it's now my go to All In One:dblthumb2:
 
Question. I see some here state that they put a wax or sealant on after using an AIO. If that's the case, then you are defeating the purpose of an AIO. It's my understanding that the purpose of an AIO is just that an all in one, which includes the protectant (i.e. one step and that's it). Additionally, I've seen where some AIO stated for added protection to top of with wax or sealant, which screams to me something isn't right. Why are they telling me to add protection to something that supposedly contains protection. If you plan to add a protectant on top of an AIO, then it seems the AIO is not all that good. Here's my thought process. If I'm going to add a layer of protection then why not just use, say M205 and then wax or seal it.

Thoughts?
 
Dimsho said:
Didn't know there sealant in V4 :confused:
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kamakanani0 said:
Yep polish / shine / sealant pretty awesome for a 1 step with a orange cutting pad


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This statement always makes me think that the so call protectant isn't really there or is insignificant. From CG instructions.

"...For even greater results and protection, finish off with a separate sealant..."
 
Methodical said:
Question. I see some here state that they put a wax or sealant on after using an AIO. If that's the case, then you are defeating the purpose of an AIO. It's my understanding that the purpose of an AIO is just that an all in one, which includes the protectant (i.e. one step and that's it). Additionally, I've seen where some AIO stated for added protection to top of with wax or sealant, which screams to me something isn't right. Why are they telling me to add protection to something that supposedly contains protection. If you plan to add a protectant on top of an AIO, then it seems the AIO is not all that good. Here's my thought process. If I'm going to add a layer of protection then why not just use, say M205 and then wax or seal it.

Thoughts?
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If the customer is paying for that extra step of protection, then that should be the route you go it just adds more labor for you and hence more cost to the customer. You have the eraser/IPA wipedown after the polishing step on top of adding the sealant/wax.
 
You're not wrong on your thoughts. It's the Purpose, AIO, 1-step, speed, production, etc.

However, I've seen on the run that the protection of an AIO is not as good to stand for long (please, there may be many exceptions and products that'll last equal or better than many LSP that I haven't used yet).

Talking about Meguiar's D301 Finishing Wax, in example,

It cleans the surface, and is designed to remove MF cutting Haze (for that it has to be formulated with fine abrasives, at least) and leaves a protection behind. For lesser defects, it can be used alone instead of D300 cutting compound. D301 Finishing Wax is an AIO, can be used as 1-step (I've used it many times, including today).

However, first time I've used it I regret when customer came back ~2 months after for a 'wash'... Ok, 2 months after is somewhat neglected, but ANY trace of protection was in vehicle after that period.

I had to reapply it (really fast and for free, and not talk about it to customer) to maintain my reputation.

That said, I generally do not rely ONLY on AIO for protection, I like AIOs because they polish a surface very finely, but they clean surface deeply. That's also why I believe many AIO are also called Cleaner Waxes or Sealants.

I use the AIO concept more as Fine Polish and Deep Clean than for the protection part.

My routine is actually using PBL coating booster on top of AIO. It takes ~5 minutes to do an entire car, while applying a 'dedicated LSP' can take hours (considering cure time).

That said, it's different from polishing and waxing, AIO gives you a different feel than a conventional polishing step, you're ~FREE to cover larger areas, do less passes, and it'll almost always improve the finish from where you started just by touching the surface. It'll make things glossy!, you want it's filling capacities (when polishing, I avoid fillers to the maximum).

Then, using coating booster in total you have 1 + 1/5 step, not 2 steps like polishing and waxing... Sure customer pays and receives what paid for.

That said, this is more towards 1 step than 2!

Regarding what BobbyG said above:
'Meguiar's D151 has the ability to correct, fills slightly, and leaves behind some level of protection...."

Some level of protection, from my understanding, is not 'A Very Durable Protection'. See my point?

It's the same feel I have when using others AIO.

Depending on what kind of protection I want to deliver, I'd top an AIO, even knowing it adds protection and I'm somewhat killing the purpose.

My customers (don't know how is it on US) wants to come back for maintenance wash (I mean, PAY for maintenance wash), not for maintenance AIO every wash.

So adding a top layer of protection gives me more ammo to deal with customers willings.

Hope that helps,

Kind Regards.
 
I love AIO's for my daily driver. I did a 90% correction on my two personal cars two years ago. I don't want to remove anymore paint if i can avoid it, so I use Poorboys Polish with Sealant on a polishing pad and then add a layer of Collinite 845 for exactly the reason Tato mentions above. The Poorboys PwS deep cleans and refines light scratches without removing any paint. While it will most likely last 3 months on it's own, I can top with the 845 and get a solid 6 months, and my cars look great.

Also, no need to wipe down with anything to remove polishing oils, plus you have a 2nd coat to help the durability. Quick and easy for a DD where perfection is almost always an impossible dream.
 
Tato said:
You're not wrong on your thoughts. It's the Purpose, AIO, 1-step, speed, production, etc.

However, I've seen on the run that the protection of an AIO is not as good to stand for long (please, there may be many exceptions and products that'll last equal or better than many LSP that I haven't used yet).

Talking about Meguiar's D301 Finishing Wax, in example,

It cleans the surface, and is designed to remove MF cutting Haze (for that it has to be formulated with fine abrasives, at least) and leaves a protection behind. For lesser defects, it can be used alone instead of D300 cutting compound. D301 Finishing Wax is an AIO, can be used as 1-step (I've used it many times, including today).

However, first time I've used it I regret when customer came back ~2 months after for a 'wash'... Ok, 2 months after is somewhat neglected, but ANY trace of protection was in vehicle after that period.

I had to reapply it (really fast and for free, and not talk about it to customer) to maintain my reputation.

That said, I generally do not rely ONLY on AIO for protection, I like AIOs because they polish a surface very finely, but they clean surface deeply. That's also why I believe many AIO are also called Cleaner Waxes or Sealants.

I use the AIO concept more as Fine Polish and Deep Clean than for the protection part.

My routine is actually using PBL coating booster on top of AIO. It takes ~5 minutes to do an entire car, while applying a 'dedicated LSP' can take hours (considering cure time).

That said, it's different from polishing and waxing, AIO gives you a different feel than a conventional polishing step, you're ~FREE to cover larger areas, do less passes, and it'll almost always improve the finish from where you started just by touching the surface. It'll make things glossy!, you want it's filling capacities (when polishing, I avoid fillers to the maximum).

Then, using coating booster in total you have 1 + 1/5 step, not 2 steps like polishing and waxing... Sure customer pays and receives what paid for.

That said, this is more towards 1 step than 2!

Regarding what BobbyG said above:
'Meguiar's D151 has the ability to correct, fills slightly, and leaves behind some level of protection...."

Some level of protection, from my understanding, is not 'A Very Durable Protection'. See my point?

It's the same feel I have when using others AIO.

Depending on what kind of protection I want to deliver, I'd top an AIO, even knowing it adds protection and I'm somewhat killing the purpose.

My customers (don't know how is it on US) wants to come back for maintenance wash (I mean, PAY for maintenance wash), not for maintenance AIO every wash.

So adding a top layer of protection gives me more ammo to deal with customers willings.

Hope that helps,

Kind Regards.
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Thanks for the feedback. I've been debating between the Meguiars D151 or M66 (quick detailer) to use on my wife's DD since she's not so anal about her vehicle as I am. Lately, I've just been using the M205 and then sealing it. I notice her paint was really dirty even though I washed and clayed it and it showed on the pad - good thing I had backup pads. So, what I'm hearing is that the AIO would be good in cleaning the paint.

Which product is the better of the 2 - Meguiars D151 or 66? What do you think?

Btw, where can I get a small bottle (16 oz) of these products.? I can only find the gallon size.

Thanks...Al
 
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