Turtle Wax Tire Coat Warning

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This is not a bash against the product. This is just my experience, and the warning is related to the removal of this tire coating. Now I know AG does not sell this product so this is merely for informational purposes and not an endorsement by any means.
Last week I had a Cadillac CTS-V brought to me for a one step correction and opti coat. The owner purchased the vehicle the week prior and asked me if I would get the Armor All (so he thought) off the tires as well. I said sure no problem. Here is a picture of the tire before the coating was removed. This is not directly of the the tire but rather a 50/50 shot I attempted of the paint however you can still see the tire coating in the picture...very glossy. Still this glossy after over a month on the tire.
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At this point I had cleaned each tire 3 times. Twice with OPC 3:1 and Amazing Roll Off undiluted with the tuff shine stiff bristle brush, as well as a wipe down with Griots Rubber Prep. Nothing would touch the coating or kill the beading. I was stumped so I carried on and began the rest of the work on the car as time was of the essence. At this point I had rather have the car polished and coated than to worry about the tires and miss my deadline. I began to investigate the coating further when I finished the car. It was very rubbery, like nothing I had seen. I talked to the owner and he called the previous owner so we could identity the product. Once I knew what I was dealing with I called turtle wax to ask with help on removal. They told me and I quote " use a wire grill brush or let it wear off over time."
Honestly this blew me away, do they really think someone would take a wire grill brush anywhere near a 3k set of rims? As luck had it the owner wasn't able to pick the vehicle up that day and it gave me extra time to try and strip the coating. Here is a pic of how this product flakes off.

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When removed it comes off in tiny brown flakes. Of course they go everywhere and it makes a terrible mess. Everything needs to be re washed. I was able to get about 90% of this coating off. It took 2.5 hours. To remove I used Zep Heavy Duty degreaser and the stiffest tire brush I could find. Here is a final pic where I used Sonax Tire Gel once the project was complete.

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So in retrospect I say all that to make a few points:

1.In theory the idea of a rubber coating like this is pretty cool. However once you go with it IMO your stuck using this product for re application bc removing it is terrible.
2. Nothing can really be layered on it or will sling. Since it won't penetrate as well as on bare rubber.
3. If you encounter this yourself a charge accordingly because the removal is very labor intensive.
4. Also if you get the slightest but of over spray on a rim it won't come off without very abrasive methods. This car had over spray on 2 of the rims and it looks like a clear paint drip.
Hope this was an informational post. Thanks for reading.


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What a disaster!

Try lacquer thinner if you have the misfortune of running across that stuff again
 
That is crazy! At least you were able to get it off.

Dat CTS-V :drool:
 
At least ya know it holds up well ...LOL glad ya got it off, car looks good nice work..
 
In the one picture it almost looks like the tire is peeling apart? Are you sure that what is peeling in the photo there is the cleaner and not the tire?
 
Good lord! What a total PITA!! Good for you for persisting, doing an excellent job at provide client delight, and spreading a word of warning on this product.
 
This looks to be quite a formidable tire dressing/coating:
You put it through the wringer...
and it was still a bear to remove!!

That's one Tough Shine!
(Has Tuf Shine met its match?)

Bob
 
Just thinking out loud here and yes, I understand the customer wanted the tire coating removed for whatever reason, but am I the only person here who sees that this product does what it actually says? Just look at the amount of work that had to go into removing it and even after all that you can still see it on there, amazing! Makes you wonder how long it would last if just driving in the rain/snow and doing regular washes?

I do understand being concerned about it being on your rims though, that would suck but IMO the kit should come with some type of wheel cover so you can protect the wheels, sure it would cost more due to additional production costs but they'd not only cover their butts but it would also show resposibility on their part.

Not really sure what's going on over there @ Turtle Wax, they make a great rinseless wash with not so good directions (until you read it through completely) then they make a great tire product with once again, not the best directions and/or warnings.

Moral of the story here, becareful what you wish for, you might just get it!

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At least ya know it holds up well ...LOL glad ya got it off, car looks good nice work..

Thanks! I appreciate it





In the one picture it almost looks like the tire is peeling apart? Are you sure that what is peeling in the photo there is the cleaner and not the tire?
Yes I'm sure the tire wasn't peeling apart.






Just thinking out loud here and yes, I understand the customer wanted the tire coating removed for whatever reason, but am I the only person here who sees that this product does what it actually says? Just look at the amount of work that had to go into removing it and even after all that you can still see it on there, amazing! Makes you wonder how long it would last if just driving in the rain/snow and doing regular washes?

I do understand being concerned about it being on your rims though, that would suck but IMO the kit should come with some type of wheel cover so you can protect the wheels, sure it would cost more due to additional production costs but they'd not only cover their butts but it would also show resposibility on their part.

Not really sure what's going on over there @ Turtle Wax, they make a great rinseless wash with not so good directions (until you read it through completely) then they make a great tire product with once again, not the best directions and/or warnings.

Moral of the story here, becareful what you wish for, you might just get it!

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No I agree that it has stout durability, gloss if you want it etc. To expand on what you said earlier,it should come with a wheel shield for application as well as product that can remove it easily the coating.
Plus I'm sure that the entire coating doesn't just suddenly wear off in one day. So imagine how it will look when thay process starts. If you can't get it off your forced to reapply more.
Like I said, in theory good idea but needs some more tweeking and product development.


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I bought and used the Turtle Wax Black Endura-Shine Tire Coat Kit.

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It comes with a bottle of "Superior Tire Cleaner
A bottle of Black Endura- Shine Tire Coat
A very nice applicator pad
Pair of gloves.

Now this isn't the spray on type, you basically follow the same instructions as of the Tuf-Shine.

My thoughts....
It's a tinted black acrylic polymer product which makes your tires really dark and dries to the touch in only a few minutes.

The tire cleaner in the kit works very well, my tires were super clean and ready for the coating.
Per instructions I applied the first coat very thin, then applied two more light coats, one bottle will do about 4 sets of tires.

They claim it last months and from what I'm seeing I think it may be true.
Saturday I washed my car, when I cleaned the tires I only used a brush and car soap, I didn't see any black transfer from the coating.
Once my tires were dry they looked like the day I coated them.

I don't plan on applying any type of dressing, the point of a coating is to keep you from having to re-apply each time you clean your tires.
Being it's acrylic it will hold up, I will maintain them only using a mild soap along with a brush.

I tell you, my tires never looked this good, ever.
Now not sure how hard it will be to remove it, right now I have no plans in removing it, only when it begins to wear off, I'll worry about that at a later time.

When I applied the coating I didn't use gloves and had a hard time removing it from my fingers, I had to use gas to get it off, even a strong APC didn't touch it, tells be it will last.
Once done my tires had a nice uniform look to them, very nice looking.

Now with this news I wonder if I'll have problems in removing the coating when it's time to do so.

Thank you for posting your concerns.

Cost: $11.00
 
Plus I'm sure that the entire coating doesn't just suddenly wear off in one day.
So imagine how it will look when thay process starts.
If you can't get it off your forced to reapply more.
^^^I wonder if this also couldn't apply to other tire 'Coatings', such as: Tuf Shine...^^^

Bob
 
^^^I wonder if this also couldn't apply to other tire 'Coatings', such as: Tuf Shine...^^^

Bob

The only two "long lasting coatings /dressings I've tried are tuff shine and dri shine. Both of those can be removed without much trouble. This turtle wax coating and tough shine are a world apart in consistency and overall texture. It really reminds me of that commercial for flex seal clear that's about the best way I can describe it.

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I bought and used the Turtle Wax Black Endura-Shine Tire Coat Kit.

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It comes with a bottle of "Superior Tire Cleaner
A bottle of Black Endura- Shine Tire Coat
A very nice applicator pad
Pair of gloves.

Now this isn't the spray on type, you basically follow the same instructions as of the Tuf-Shine.

My thoughts....
It's a tinted black acrylic polymer product which makes your tires really dark and dries to the touch in only a few minutes.

The tire cleaner in the kit works very well, my tires were super clean and ready for the coating.
Per instructions I applied the first coat very thin, then applied two more light coats, one bottle will do about 4 sets of tires.

They claim it last months and from what I'm seeing I think it may be true.
Saturday I washed my car, when I cleaned the tires I only used a brush and car soap, I didn't see any black transfer from the coating.
Once my tires were dry they looked like the day I coated them.

I don't plan on applying any type of dressing, the point of a coating is to keep you from having to re-apply each time you clean your tires.
Being it's acrylic it will hold up, I will maintain them only using a mild soap along with a brush.

I tell you, my tires never looked this good, ever.
Now not sure how hard it will be to remove it, right now I have no plans in removing it, only when it begins to wear off, I'll worry about that at a later time.

When I applied the coating I didn't use gloves and had a hard time removing it from my fingers, I had to use gas to get it off, even a strong APC didn't touch it, tells be it will last.
Once done my tires had a nice uniform look to them, very nice looking.

Now with this news I wonder if I'll have problems in removing the coating when it's time to do so.

Thank you for posting your concerns.

Cost: $11.00

The product you pictures here seems like a long lasting dressing that sounds really good.
Here is a pic of the turtle wax coating that was on the CTS-V so there is no confusion about which one of their products it is.
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I put this stuff on my sisters car and the overspray got all over the wheels. She also drove it too soon after and the coating cracked a lot.
It's basically like spraying clear coat on your tires.
 
The product you pictures here seems like a long lasting dressing that sounds really good.
Here is a pic of the turtle wax coating that was on the CTS-V so there is no confusion about which one of their products it is.
pumy5uda.jpg



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Yes, big difference in durability.
I know someone who tried the spray , he said it made a mess, over spray issues.

With the kit I posted it really makes your tires look really good:dblthumb2:

To be honest with you I wasn't expecting this great look.
And to think it's cheap than a large bottle of dressing OTC
Gotta try it to believe it:dblthumb2:
 
I put this stuff on my sisters car and the overspray got all over the wheels. She also drove it too soon after and the coating cracked a lot.
It's basically like spraying clear coat on your tires.


The kits is really good, it dries really fast, driving in the rain doesn't effect it, in fact even after washing using a soap and brush they still looked awesome.
 
Here is what you get in the kit, everything you need to get your tires looking great:dblthumb2:

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$11.00
 
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