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I'm with you man. That definitely makes sense.
Introducing!! Pinnacle black label!!!
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I'm with you man. That definitely makes sense.
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Nick McKees37
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Sorry Chris! DP Total Interior Cleaner is a great option. :dblthumb2:
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Thanks Nick.:dblthumb2:
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Nick McKees37
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DP Coating Prep Polish is compatible with all coatings.
cardaddy
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And let's say both thoughts are geared towards the 'coating' only.
Which is where I think he was going.
So what would be the difference between the performance, look, feel, and most importantly durability of the $80 coating over the $50 coating? Seems like a huge difference would be in order considering $7.50 per ounce in price difference.
Is one quartz, ceramic, glass and the other polymer?
I am most interested in these sort of reviews as well. Would be great, no make that AWESOME to hear from 'beta testers' that have been testing this product over the summer about now.
Problem is, right now the product is selling for what (imho) should be the more accepted price, and one that'll surely get a lot of guys to jump onboard. I know I've almost hit the "checkout now" button on the "Elite Kit" several times in the last 12 hours! :laughing: Why in the world would I *need* it when I've got 2 full bottles of WG and BF WOWA sealant, plus their WOWO sealants, plus Megs M21 2.0 sitting in my cabinet? That is enough product for more cars than I'll do in YEARS.
So yeah, what I want to know is just what are we comparing this new product to? Would DP coating be similar to say.... OC? Making PBL, oh boy more acronyms (Pinnacle Black Label) more like cQtz?
What about why we'd need three separate coatings, and how they differ from one another instead of just going to the all-in-one multi-surface coating? And how it compares to the others in both shine and durability? For that matter, maybe the all-in-one is more like the DP coating?????
I know that each aspect has been studied and compared, such as slip angles for instance. It's the science we want to know, right guys?
Marketing aside, the science is what sells esoteric products. Myself, (as others I'm sure) are yet again impressed with what Max and the crew have done this time around. Building this product as (like I said in the guessing thread that I didn't win)
front to back, top to bottom, inside out. I've even reached out to friends using words like "game changer", yet without any *real* evidence or results of such. (Other than my own insight as to how the product integrate one with another and how that plays out in delivering the 'total package'.)So yeah, the science of it all is what we want to hear. :dblthumb2:
If I want to use the PBL Diamond Glass Coating can I still use the Diamondite Glasswork polish before? Or should I use the PBL Cleansing Polish?
I've used Rain X and Nanoskin Rain Sealant and i'm not impress by either. I have used Gtechniq G1 and it was fantastic, how does this new glass coating compare?
I've used Rain X and Nanoskin Rain Sealant and i'm not impress by either. I have used Gtechniq G1 and it was fantastic, how does this new glass coating compare?
Nick McKees37
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DP Paint Coating contains polymers, while Black Label Diamond Coating does not. The extra cost gets you a coating that is easier to apply, lasts longer, and produces more gloss (think "glassy" type of finish). Whether it is worth the additional $30 is up to you.
You can expect a lot of reviews and comparisons. :dblthumb2:
Problem is, right now the product is selling for what (imho) should be the more accepted price, and one that'll surely get a lot of guys to jump onboard. I know I've almost hit the "checkout now" button on the "Elite Kit" several times in the last 12 hours! :laughing: Why in the world would I *need* it when I've got 2 full bottles of WG and BF WOWA sealant, plus their WOWO sealants, plus Megs M21 2.0 sitting in my cabinet? That is enough product for more cars than I'll do in YEARS.
I'm sure car collectors ask themselves the same thing, but when that new Ferrari comes out it's a no brainer.
Opti-Coat is a resin-based coating that offers permanent paint protection. Black Label Diamond Paint Coating would be more comparable to the likes of GTechniq EXO, albeit easier to apply and a heck of a lot more cost effective.
Glass and paint are two very different surfaces, so each coating needs to be specially developed to offer the maximum protection ("bonding"). Wheels are exposed to much higher temperatures than glass or paint, so a wheel coating needs to have a greater tolerance to heat. With Diamond Surface Coating, we've managed to combine the best of all 3 surface-specific coatings into one product. It's called having your cake and eating it. :dblthumb2:
I know that each aspect has been studied and compared, such as slip angles for instance. It's the science we want to know, right guys?
We try and keep it simple, which is why you won't see terms thrown around that mean nothing to anyone besides a chemist. We tend to focus more on what's in the bottle and how it performs. The performance of each product is so outstanding that putting them under the Pinnacle umbrella was an obvious choice.
Myself, (as others I'm sure) are yet again impressed with what Max and the crew have done this time around. Building this product as (like I said in the guessing thread that I didn't win)
Thanks for spreading the word. A lot of work has gone into this line and we're thrilled that it's finally on sale.
Lots, and lots, and lots of testing. :xyxthumbs:
You won't run in to any bonding issues with most glass polishes, but I tend to stick to what's recommended - synergistic chemical compatibility.
Black Label Diamond Glass Coating is very easy to apply - spray and wipe, that's it. If any high spots are present, a microfiber towel levels them without any effort. Performance over the aforementioned products will be superior.
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Do you mean as far as DP or BL? If its the later, well, I was born in Michigan but for this, I'll just say I'm from Missouri;-)
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I would suspect the difference in price would be something that you might address, as it relates to subjective quality/ingredients/comparable products and that it'd actually be more up to *you* than us/me.
And I expect you might just be right.
I'm sure car collectors ask themselves the same thing, but when that new Ferrari comes out it's a no brainer.
Couldn't answer that one. Won't see this boy ever being able to afford a Ferrari. I'm more of a Corvette guy anyhow. :laughing:
Right, I'm aware of OC being resin based. So DPC (DB Coating) ... similar? Which is why I figured BLC to be more on the heels of cQuartz??? I know that OC is a 'more' permanent coating than CQ but the both claim to be permanent. With BLC saying it'll last for "up to 3 years" that is pretty darned permanent in and of itself.
Just curious what the science of both would be and how they compare. Both to one another as well as the competition.
Different indeed. Just curious how y'all ended up with not 1, not 2, not even 3, but 4 totally different "coatings". (That might end up getting the word redundant thrown out there if ya' know what I mean.) :
oke:Yes, but if Dr. G can use the science, as well as Corey, and others (to great applause and consternation among the masses), I would think those same masses would have a hunger for, and respect the science from which it evolved. Not just where it ended up at, but how it got there. (For instance.)
And one of the guys I sent it to today just texted me back tonight. I sent him the photos of the "Lady in Red" and Max's Vette.
rops: He tells me he sold his red 06 Viper (that I did a couple of months ago) for a brand new 2013 black Viper SRT10 GTS.Guess that'll be one of the first ones I put Black Label on fer' sure.
And his new C7-427 comes on Jan 18th. :awman:
And exactly where was I during all this?!?! :dunno:
Maybe I need to send you my address again. :work
Just throw the leather kit in with my "Elite" order.) :cheers:Speaking of prep and bonding.
Polishing with Menz PF/SF/FF or Megs 205, 151, 301 and a IPA and/or Eraser wipe still works as well.... right....?
And the last line may just sum it all up. :hotrod2:
I agree with the last few posts in that it would take a lot more than photos of a few shiny cars to get me to purchase this. The great thing about detailing as a hobby and buying from AG is getting several new items to try out for around than $100 or so. I have tried some of the higher end products most recently putting black fire black ice on my new Grand Cherokee. I had done the same with Meguiars UW on an identical vehicle to compare and for the most part I could tell the difference which leads me to believe a better way to determine what is in a product needs to be available to discerning customers.
I find the pricing of these new Pinnacle products a bit disappointing for a couple of reasons already mentioned.
1. Pricing has gotten so high for such a small amount it's obvious you are paying for branding instead of product cost.
2. I'm not sure who would spend the extra cost for a product that lasts two years as most hobbyists look forward to working on their vehicles at regular intervals. I doubt anyone in business would offer this product to customers at the price point it is at as well but that is just a guess as I'm just a hobbyist.
I might suggest two things:
1. When a new, Improved product is released the current products could be reduced in price to make room for new products...think Apple products which are also high end brand products. Very few products increase in price simply because a new improved version comes out..not even cars quite often.
2. It would be great to have a paint kit offering with the polish, coating, and sealant only.
I find the pricing of these new Pinnacle products a bit disappointing for a couple of reasons already mentioned.
1. Pricing has gotten so high for such a small amount it's obvious you are paying for branding instead of product cost.
2. I'm not sure who would spend the extra cost for a product that lasts two years as most hobbyists look forward to working on their vehicles at regular intervals. I doubt anyone in business would offer this product to customers at the price point it is at as well but that is just a guess as I'm just a hobbyist.
I might suggest two things:
1. When a new, Improved product is released the current products could be reduced in price to make room for new products...think Apple products which are also high end brand products. Very few products increase in price simply because a new improved version comes out..not even cars quite often.
2. It would be great to have a paint kit offering with the polish, coating, and sealant only.
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Welcome since this is your first post, and one important thing to remember about Black Label is a VERY small amount is needed with this line. If you compare the ounces compared to other coatings this one comes in less expensive per application.
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But both DP and Black Label claim "up to 15 vehicles" per 4oz. That seems pretty equal in terms of usage per bottle.
Also, in posted reviews, it's been said to use 2-3 sprays per panel for BL, DP was supposed to be used less than that, according to reviews.
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1. You not paying for the amount, or volume of product but what it can do. I'm not sure how how much cheaper they could make the product, as you can coat many cars for what most of the competition costs for enough product to coat a single car.
2. I think this would be an optimum product for a detailing business. Who else is offering enough product to coat like 15 cars for like a hundred bucks ??? That's a killer price for someone who wants to supply a coating for their detailing business. Your basically consuming like $10 per vehicle between the coating and prep polish. How much should it cost? 50 cents? Obviously any coating isn't for someone who enjoys waxing a car at regular intervals, but if you think hobbyists aren't interested in coatings, just read this forum.
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cardaddy
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Yes indeed we doooooooo.......
And I'm afraid I did.
And then some. :doh:Might could get Mike and/or Max to autograph my Elite box as well, right? :dblthumb2:
Nick McKees37
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That's the beauty of these two products - if you accidentally over apply the coating, it's not going to be the end of the world. They're both incredibly easy to work with, whether you apply it whisper thin or if you're generous with the amount. What more could you ask for in a coating?
Both Black Label Diamond Paint Coating AND Dp Paint Coating are offered in sizes that are unheard of for paint coatings, which makes them both exceptional values. The fact that Diamond Paint Coating lasts 50% longer than DP makes it an even better deal in the long run. And we're not even talking about Diamond Surface Coating, which is a whopping 8 (eight!) ounces and can be applied to ALL exterior surfaces.
Yes indeed we doooooooo.......
And I'm afraid I did.
Might could get Mike and/or Max to autograph my Elite box as well, right? :dblthumb2:
Sure, only if you promise to post pictures of the C7 you mentioned earlier.
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