ceramic pro

blkSRT said:
What's the claimed hardness on the mohs scale?
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9. Equal to carandum I believe.
"Hardness above 9h,
When the coat hardens it creates a surface that can withstand stone chips and all sorts of light scratches. The glass coating is above 9H on the Mohs scale. This scale is used in the coating industry to determine a mineral`s hardness, 9H is the highest on the scale. The coat will stay hard for a lifetime if maintained correctly"
 
X Gixxer 1000 X said:
Sorry. I had to comment on this. I've spoken with Jared already a few times and everything I asked him for he sent me. Test that were done including sgs. I asked him about the scale they used and it is the MOHS scale for mineral hardness and also says it on their site. Jared hasn't been pushy at all and has been sending me lots of info. I've been asking a ton of questions and so far they've all been answered. If you look at the European car forums and have it translated on your computer (unless your phone can do it) you will find lots and lots of people using it and being extremely happy with it. If I can find it again there was a guy that had a review after a year of having it on or for however long it's been out and still performed like day 1. Also they are giving you samples to try next to anything you want.

Edit: I am going with cquartz because I don't mind doing my truck every 1.5 years. I enjoy detailing and for the price it's perfect. Ceramic pro is quite pricey.
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Regarding your statement about their hardness rating... Peter (who is said to be the CEO of the Ceramic Pro company) stated this (see my copy of emails with him on the first page of this thread):

"The hardness test that has been done is something called a pencil test and is used in the coating industry. Mohs hardness scale measures the scratch resistance of minerals."
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The lack of consistent information within this company is quite interesting to me.

Pencil hardness and Mohs Scale are absolutely different. A hardness above 9H on the Mohs Scale is approaching the hardness of a diamond. To give a point of reference, a steel nail is said to have a Mohs hardness of ~5.5. this means you would not be able to scratch the surface of the Ceramic Pros coating with a steel nail... if someone wants to test that out, I would love to see it :dblthumb2:
 
statusdetailing said:
I can also attest to how great it is to work with CarPro. They are extremely knowledgeable and professional to work with.
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:iagree::dblthumb2:

zmcgovern45 said:
Regarding your statement about their hardness rating... Peter (who is said to be the CEO of the Ceramic Pro company) stated this (see my copy of emails with him on the first page of this thread):



The lack of consistent information within this company is quite interesting to me.

Pencil hardness and Mohs Scale are absolutely different. A hardness above 9H on the Mohs Scale is approaching the hardness of a diamond. To give a point of reference, a steel nail is said to have a Mohs hardness of ~5.5. this means you would not be able to scratch the surface of the Ceramic Pros coating with a steel nail... if someone wants to test that out, I would love to see it :dblthumb2:
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I am right behind you on that one, and would love to see the video support. I wonder if the abrasives in polishing compounds approach 10 on the Mohs scale as their own marketing indicates that you CAN polish it off.
 
Dr_Pain said:
I am right behind you on that one, and would love to see the video support. I wonder if the abrasives in polishing compounds approach 10 on the Mohs scale as their own marketing indicates that you CAN polish it off.
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Great point!!
 
Dr_Pain said:
:iagree::dblthumb2:



I am right behind you on that one, and would love to see the video support. I wonder if the abrasives in polishing compounds approach 10 on the Mohs scale as their own marketing indicates that you CAN polish it off.
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That is a good point. Seems they are more talking about pencil hardness. Which is where the h comes in. Still impressive even at that
 
X Gixxer 1000 X said:
That is a good point. Seems they are more talking about pencil hardness. Which is where the h comes in. Still impressive even at that
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Opti-Coat has been making that claim since the beginning... so not overly impressive given the crazy costs of the CP products from what I have heard.

Again, in the emails I posted originally, Ceramic Pro stated

"The product is quite similar to Opti coat. Detailers that has worked with both products often say that Ceramic Pro has more slickness and gloss. Ceramic pro can also be multi layered which means that the customer decides on how well he wants his paint to be protected. "​
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So, it is similar to OC, but slicker (as are most silica coatings). It can be layered... as can most other coatings.

Basically this product just seems like another "me too" product to try to take advantage of the growing coating market that doesn't really offer any advantages over existing 'tried and true' coatings. Plus, their approach to contacting professionals was very unprofessional and just left a bad taste in my mouth from the beginning.
 
zmcgovern45 said:
Opti-Coat has been making that claim since the beginning... so not overly impressive given the crazy costs of the CP products from what I have heard.

Again, in the emails I posted originally, Ceramic Pro stated



So, it is similar to OC, but slicker (as are most silica coatings). It can be layered... as can most other coatings.

Basically this product just seems like another "me too" product to try to take advantage of the growing coating market that doesn't really offer any advantages over existing 'tried and true' coatings. Plus, their approach to contacting professionals was very unprofessional and just left a bad taste in my mouth from the beginning.
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it's just hard to argue with a company who's giving you samples to test against any other product. How many layers can you do with cquartz finest. I have not used finest as I'm not a detailer.
 
X Gixxer 1000 X said:
it's just hard to argue with a company who's giving you samples to test against any other product. How many layers can you do with cquartz finest. I have not used finest as I'm not a detailer.
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Technically as many as you want... a typical install is 2 coats, but some installers will upsell 3 or 4 coats.
 
If I ever start having a problem with cigarette lighters scratching my paint, ceramic pro will be my go to product.
 
It's solvent based
I'll be trying another brand that's directly compared to this and opti coat pro
Perhaps you'll see a review on autopia
 
chet31 said:
If I ever start having a problem with cigarette lighters scratching my paint, ceramic pro will be my go to product.
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This is the deal^^^

This same test has been done on all the coatings, and even a vehicle that was not coated but had a sealant or wax. It has nothing to do with the coating itself, but the surface tension created with a topping and not just bare paint.
Also, you can look into their warranty, or the lack of one when you read the full warranty.

HUMP
 
I always see CP agents comparing to Opti-Coat® Pro but am sure it's to associate them with a credible company. Zach is right, they are a "we gotta get a piece of that coating action" marketing hype group. Just look at their tactics from anyone who knows the coating offerings.
 
Chris, not to get off topic, but Opti Coat Pro "warranty" doesnt cover vehicles that are over ten years old? Why is that? This Ceramic Pro "lifetime warranty" will cover a vehicle no matter how old. Warranty in quotations because they hardly cover anything if at all.
 
Why even bother discussing the warranty.... It's mostly a marketing gimmick to me. Claim lifetime warranty and the customer assumes it's a bullet proof product and makes it easier to invest some serious money in. The reality is that most customers would never make a claim, and if they do, the details of the contract could write off almost every situation as owner neglect rather than poor product performance which gets the company off the hook.
 
Also with lifetime warranty the customer has to bring it back for annual inspection. The detailer likes this because of job security.... One big circle...lol
 
i'm with Zach, i use Ceramic Pro light on vinyl wraps and Cquartz on everything else. i am currently phasing out Ceramic Pro completely. i can't justify the cost with the given results.

7.3powerstroke i offer twice a year maintenance services to keep the customers coming back.
 
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