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I've also heard that sound from some of the Mustangs.
I've also never really bothered with the new, or the old ones.
Bob
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I've also never really bothered with the new, or the old ones.
Bob
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I've also heard that sound from some of the Mustangs.
I've also never really bothered with the new, or the old ones.
Bob
I will take one of the old M 1's with a 351 Cleveland or 390 Police Interceptor.
But I wasn't a big pony car fan, liked the Mid Sized cars better like the Road Runner, GTO, Fairlane etc.
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There better be some fat 305mm+ rear tires on these cars. 600+ hp is pretty useless on a rwd car unless the torque is balanced.
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How exactly does one "track" a Challenger? Even lowered down to eliminate the factory "AWD wheelwell gap" Chrysler is famous for (yes I know the Challenger isn't AWD but look at the wheelwell gap of it and then the Charger and 300) I can't see how you do it.
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Widebody..
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If you look at factory weights, the six cylinder Challenger is only 70 pounds heavier then an equivalent Camaro. The difference is greater (close to 300 pounds) in the V8 side because the Hemi uses an iron block. Rumors indicate that the upcoming 2015 Challenger will switch to an aluminum block, mostly closing the gap in weight until the next gen Camaro comes out.
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I know this thread is about Camaros, Mustangs, and Challengers... but the 2015 Corvette Z06 pictures were leaked this morning. Looks like the rumors about a Dual Clutch Transmission might be true! I'd laugh hysterically if it was a slush box automatic.
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I think they should make them AWD if they are going to start putting that much HP in those cars.
And with good traction control....
But then I dunno if they could keep them below the $100K mark if they did that.
Even with a small block at 700 HP the torque will be getting up there if they put any kind of decent cam with some good lift in it at all...
The HP isn't the real issue here, it's the torque, and that will make or tear apart the car, transmission etc.
And can make it uncontrollable if there is too much without the proper design and traction control that really works in place.
The reason I was thinking AWD.....
Yeah I heard it will be Turbo or Supercharged and that should help some depending on the setup....
That's still a lot for a street car IMO....
Glad they will be out of reach for the ave Joe thankfully..... Like all of the Super cars are....
Sounds more like a death trap to me and I wouldn't want to be in the path if an idiot gets one.....
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Man that Z06 looks nasty! Wonder what the next ZR1 will look like?
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I have so much FUN in my 700+HP, rear-wheel-drive,
street car that, BTW: Cost way, way less than $100,000.
And, on top of that:
I really don't think that I'm an idiot.
But that's just my biased opinion.
Bob
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The C7 looks much better as a wide body.
The base and Z51 Corvette is too squared on the sides. The Z06 looks great with the wider rear wheel arches. I think they could've came up with a better solution than a wide rear fender and unpainted front fender flares.
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I have so much FUN in my 700+HP, rear-wheel-drive,
street car that, BTW: Cost way, way less than $100,000.
And, on top of that:
I really don't think that I'm an idiot.
But that's just my biased opinion.
Bob
Turbo or Supercharger I am guessing....
Mine was not quite that much, 625 HP to the rear wheels and if I remember correctly close to 800 ft lbs of torque.
Not bad for dual 4 Barrels with no NOS, supercharger or anything....
Built 440 in a 1971 Road Runner that would run 13's with street tires and low 12's with 10" slicks. Didn't race it all that much though on the track, more of play toy that I sold off a year after it was done. It could have done a lot lower with a gear change, wanted it controllable for the street so it had a higher top end. Would run 180 MPH in a straight line before the front end started getting light, but cornered like a brick.
I think with the right body adjustments and spoilers it would have gone over 200 mph, but I will never know.
Not bad for a heavy car.
Sometimes I wish I still had it today.
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180 mph in a 71' car....with what tires, LOL!
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Goodyear racing tires...
If you remember the Original SuberBee went over 200 mph on the salt flats, back in the late 60's....
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Sorry, I was thinking street legal tires of the time, my bad.
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There weren't any street legal tires back then that would handle those speeds that I know of.
I hand the racing tires and standard Bias Ply 70's that I ran normally.
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I hate the sound of the new exhaust systems, especially flowmaster. The Borla is better, but you pay for it. Nothing beats the sound of the old muscle cars. My vette is only a small block, but love the sound of the chambered exhaust. Although I love the big blocks, you can do a lot with a small block and shed some pounds. The best engine I ever put in a race car (dirt track) was a 377 (350 crank in a 400), beat the hell out of the 383.
As for keeping these things hooked up with 600+ hp, traction control is what the manufacturers plan for. When you turn it off, you have to exercise right foot control. Heck, even the 426 hp SS we have breaks them loose without thinking about it that's with a 275 tire. Even a 305 isn't going to keep these beasts hooked up.
As for keeping these things hooked up with 600+ hp, traction control is what the manufacturers plan for. When you turn it off, you have to exercise right foot control. Heck, even the 426 hp SS we have breaks them loose without thinking about it that's with a 275 tire. Even a 305 isn't going to keep these beasts hooked up.
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Its not the size of the tire, its what the tire is made of. TC isn't the ticket here, its not made for when you add power to your car, its for when the weather goes south.
The horsepower wars of today eclipse "the good old days", todays cars are so much more rounded and yeah the old cars sounded great but it doesn't take much to get any car to sound good, even todays modern muscle cars sound good stock, not all of them but have you heard the newer 5.0 Mustangs!!!
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The horsepower wars of today eclipse "the good old days", todays cars are so much more rounded and yeah the old cars sounded great but it doesn't take much to get any car to sound good, even todays modern muscle cars sound good stock, not all of them but have you heard the newer 5.0 Mustangs!!!
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AH....
Not really the whole story there, HP isn't everything....
Take a car with 600+ hp in a small block V8, V6 etc with turbos, superchargers NOS etc it doesn't matter how it's done....
That engine won't have the same or even close to same amount of torque as a big block with the same HP. It's just not going to happen...
And that's been known for a very long time and as there have been engines with the same Cubic Inches in both Big and Small Block formats.
It's all in what one needs the car to do, or truck for that matter.
That said I do think the current Small Block V8's are nice motors overall and fit right into what is currently needed (wanted) on the street. That a balance of power and gas mileage with handling.
Interesting times overall though really. :xyxthumbs:
However I do find it interesting that some of the Supercars are going with the Big Block engines.
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-440...built...Mine was not quite that much, 625 HP to the rear wheels and if I remember correctly close to 800 ft lbs of torque.
Not bad for dual 4 Barrels with no NOS, supercharger or anything....
Built 440 in a 1971 Road Runner
Would run 180 MPH in a straight line before the front end started getting light, but cornered like a brick.
Not bad for a heavy car.
Sometimes I wish I still had it today.
-Now I had a 1970 440 Plymouth GTX---completely stock.
-Speaking of heavy:
With three other, over 200lbs passengers:
Drove the 76 mile portion of the BG Parkway (Lexington to Bowling Green) in 34 minutes on stock tires.
-Sold it after one year of ownership.
Wish I still had it...they fetch a pretty penny nowadays.
Bob