Spray Wax as a drying aid...

[FUNX650]

Diethanolamine is found in some car shampoos.

Should we not be using car shampoos either?

I think there is a point where we need to say that if a product claims to be LSP safe, the small amount of alcohols, glycols, ethers, etc. in them is not enough to be of any issue.

If only all of these claims could be true!
They do leave a lot to be desired...IMHO.

Now if only Diethanolamine was the "worst" chemical that
was found in some car shampoos: OH Happy Days!

-I do keep in mind that, regardless of the repeated warnings, there are folks on this, and other forums, that still promulgate the usage of HF-acid.

However:
This will not stop any furthering-attempts of my
involvement in chemical-awareness campaigning.

From this Mantra: I hope never to stray...
For having this stance: I will not apologize.

Bob

 

[SYMAWD]

If only all of these claims could be true!
They do leave a lot to be desired...IMHO.

Now if only Diethanolamine was the "worst" chemical that
was found in some car shampoos: OH Happy Days!

-I do keep in mind that, regardless of the repeated warnings, there are folks on this, and other forums, that still promulgate the usage of HF-acid.

However:
This will not stop any furthering-attempts of my
involvement in chemical-awareness campaigning.

From this Mantra: I hope never to stray...
For having this stance: I will not apologize.

Bob

I don't mind that you point out what makes up these products, but is there anyway to show that they may be having an effect on our LSPs. Perhaps some waxes, but what about sealants and coatings?

Is 1-2% propyl alcohol going to be an issue?

 

[tpr1634]

Optimum No Rinse is well known as a paint wash, quick detailer, and clay lube yet it has no reported hazardous substances in the MSDS sheet I have. The absence of mentioning whatever it is that contributes to its lubricity and shine does not mean it is not suitable as a drying aid. In fact, ONR is a drying aid by its nature.

I use it as a drying aid..........

 

[FUNX650]

Can we get some conversation about how
a spray wax can be used as a drying aid?

I'm glad we had this conversation...
Thanks, OP, for this "drying aid"-thread of yours! rops:


Bob

 

[spiralout462]

I blow dry after a wash. If I feel like using a spray wax I apply it to a clean dry surface.

 

[feslope]

Ironically...
I have and use AquaWax quite frequently:
It does keeps the caulked-up canister-housing on my:
Metro Full Size Vac N' Blo...quite shiny! :xyxthumbs:

Bob

Works good on my car too.

 

[FUNX650]

Works good on my car too.

I can almost put up with the all of that silicone-fluid it leaves on the Metro Vac...
So I'm not going to bother protesting the fact you say it, too, 'works good on your car'...

Except to say that there are, evidently, vast and
differently-held definitions of: "works good".



Bob

 

[BrutalNoodle]

From this Mantra: I hope never to stray...
For having this stance: I will not apologize.

Bob

Can't speak for others, but I always appreciate input, even if/when I stand on the opposite. If anything it makes me reevaluate my methods.

Also, I really enjoy discussions pertaining to "off-label" usage. Probably the best part of any discussion.

 

[BrutalNoodle]

Works good on my car too.

Haha, reminds me of "Alvin Holmes on Beer."

 

[jem7sk]

I can almost put up with the all of that silicone-fluid it leaves on the Metro Vac...
So I'm not going to bother protesting the fact you say it, too, 'works good on your car'...

Except to say that there are, evidently, vast and
differently-held definitions of: "works good".



Bob

Bob, might it be safe to assume you are a chemical engineer?

 

[PiPUK]

If you are concerned, use a detail spray instead of a spray wax. That way you aren't applying a new LSP.

I think, as others said, it is rather uncommon for a detailing spray not to leave something behind. It is almost universally safe to say that, if a product makes the surface feel slick, it will be depositing something on top of it (generally a silicone of some sort).

Optimum No Rinse is well known as a paint wash, quick detailer, and clay lube yet it has no reported hazardous substances in the MSDS sheet I have. The absence of mentioning whatever it is that contributes to its lubricity and shine does not mean it is not suitable as a drying aid. In fact, ONR is a drying aid by its nature.

Not that I am saying ONR contains it but do remember that many silicones are non-hazardous.

Diethanolamine is found in some car shampoos.

Should we not be using car shampoos either?

I think there is a point where we need to say that if a product claims to be LSP safe, the small amount of alcohols, glycols, ethers, etc. in them is not enough to be of any issue.

Little bits of things in products are generally not to worry about. DEA is likely used as a neutraliser so it will likely be balancing out an acidity in a formulation (not always, but that would certainly be my main use of it), it is also there are part of the coconut surfactant. It is the big bits of things we need be more concerned with - if we could get the industry to pay attention just to the primary hazard and the hazard causing ingredient (generally it will be one or two things causing it), then the sector would be much much better placed to assess risks. At the moment, most detailers blatantly ignore hazards on a product label choosing instead to take online reviews of effectiveness as their only guide. If the authorities were tomorrow (they won't, that is silly, tomorrow is sunday) to clamp down and shut down every detailer who doesn't perform the necessary H&S assessments, I would hazard that 95%+ of detailers in the UK would be out of business overnight. Frankly that is a terrible thing to be true and the detailing industry should be ashamed.

 

[KBsToy]

If only all of these claims could be true!
They do leave a lot to be desired...IMHO.

Now if only Diethanolamine was the "worst" chemical that
was found in some car shampoos: OH Happy Days!

-I do keep in mind that, regardless of the repeated warnings, there are folks on this, and other forums, that still promulgate the usage of HF-acid.

However:
This will not stop any furthering-attempts of my
involvement in chemical-awareness campaigning.

From this Mantra: I hope never to stray...
For having this stance: I will not apologize.

Bob

:goodjob2: And Thanks for info !!!

 

[DetailedByPrecision]

The only two spray waxes I have experience with currently is CG V7, and Opt spray wax. I am going to include Opt No Rinse W&W as well which I will mention why later. My DD at the moment is coated with Wolfgang fuzion as a stand alone product with no topping on top such as spray waxes or synthetic gloss enhancers. The beading from fuzion is very tight, strong, and uniform as is by itself already.

Pic attached below:






Been using ONRWW for about 3 months with weekly washes, and using V7 afterwards to take care of the "very final wipedown" after I removed 90% of water already from the ONRWW wash. I noticed the beading pattern have changed and the beading did not look as strong anymore. There's still decent protection on it so it's not because of durability issues here.

Pic attached below:






Now, I am not 100% sure if these spray waxes or any wash products that supposedly contain wax alters or covers the existing layer of protection. But, one thing I do understand is if you are using any product that claims to have wax, and use it on top of your existing layer of protection, the new applied/used product properties will take over your pre existing/applied one.

I am not sure why, and I can't explain it, but I stripped the old protection due to winter season is over. I did so by washing, claying, eraser wipedown, and reapplying one layer of Wolfgang fuzion again. It rained recently and I was able to snap a couple of pictures in my garage with freshly applied fuzion without using any ONRWW, or spray waxes and these were the pictures I was able to take:

 

[Bunky]

This thread took a turn starting from an innocent question about using products during the drying process to a chemical safety discussion.

 

[Methodical]

It's hard for me to call any liquid a "drying aid". There sure is some strange language in this industry.

I kinda understand what you're saying, but think about this. You can use Water Sheeting with a water hose as a way to dry your car. Makes you go ummm.

I just use detail spray (Adams or Infinite Use Detail Juice) and waffle weave towels, if I even use a towel to dry my vehicles. I usually use the Master Blaster though.

Al

 

[Methodical]

Dunno. Sometimes you just need to step away from the Polyaminodimethyl Siloxanes and the pondering of the Marangoni Effect and just do what seems to work well in real life.

Good one. Sometimes, we just think too much.