Spray Wax as a drying aid...

"Drying Aids":
(for me) Still conjure-up those desiccant packets; air movers; and the like.

Anyway:
Who doesn't like to talk about IPA?

-I'm one of those that has observed the magic that a single drop
of an alcohol will perform upon a certain amount/area of water.
-Couple that with things like gravitational-force...
Boom!...Water dissipated.

Surfactants do get around:
-I remember in Metallurgy having to study the effects that surfactants have
on Welding processes---the weld "puddle", so to say.
Capillary action, thermo-capillary convection...
even the Marangoni-effect<<<(often found referenced in "rinse-aids")

You might be wondering:
WTBlueBLazes does this have to do with "drying aids" or any of those products
recommended to be used as "drying aids"!

-Take what seems to be an overall favorite product on AGO,
at this point in time: DuraGloss #951.

It has in its formulation:
-Alcohol (propyl alcohol CAS# 71-23-8)
-Surfactants (unspecified)
-Polyaminodimethyl Siloxane (PDMS---a silicone fluid)
-Fragrance (unspecified)

Does DG #951's:
-Surfactants help "clean"?...I will say: Yes.
-Alcohol assist in the Marangoni-effect?...I will say: Yes.
-PDMS leave a "slick feeling"?...
I will say: (since most silicone-fluids will have a "slick feeling"): Yes.


I just wonder:
-Isn't this newly applied "drying aid" (DG #951) now the new-LSP?

-Doesn't this "new-LSP/drying-aid" cover-up the underlying LSP...
the one that a person has paid for, worked so hard to apply properly,
and to enjoy its inherent characteristics?

-How long will DG's selected PDMSs last---their durability(?)...
before the aforementioned underlying LSP comes to fore?


Maybe there is a new product name in the making here after all...
A so-well-named-product that will assist in the reduction of
paint-marring, while drying a vehicle.


Bob
 
FUNX725 said:


I just wonder:
-Isn't this newly applied "drying aid" (DG #951) now the new-LSP?

-Doesn't this "new-LSP/drying-aid" cover-up the underlying LSP...
the one that a person has paid for, worked so hard to apply properly,
and to enjoy its inherent characteristics?
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Hi, Bob, yes, I would consider it the new LSP. For that reason, I only use non-gloss enhancing shampoo as well as a non-polymer shine enhancing drying aid(Poorboy's Spray 'n Wipe). I think it defeats the purpose of your initial LSP if you use other polymer shining products on top.
 
After washing, and there's already a layer of lsp (wax lets say), doesn't the addition of a spray wax just add to the longevity of the original lsp?
 
Photecs said:
After washing, and there's already a layer of lsp (wax lets say), doesn't the addition of a spray wax just add to the longevity of the original lsp?
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-Just imagine the type, and amount (%) of solvents it takes to make a wax-in-a-tin be "workable/doable".
-Now extrapolate those %'s to what it takes to atomize a Wax---especially carnauba wax.

With that in mind:
-Will these solvents wreak havoc on the original LSP?

-Will the spray-wax have excellent "creep" qualities?

-Will the spray-wax be able to:
"Penetrate to Protect"?

Gotta ask:
Will any of the above factors add to
the longevity of the original LSP?


Bob
 
Dunno. Sometimes you just need to step away from the Polyaminodimethyl Siloxanes and the pondering of the Marangoni Effect and just do what seems to work well in real life.
 
I think in my logical mind that using a quick detailer would be a better choice than a spray wax as a drying aid. I have been using XMT Final Finish Quick Detailer as a drying aid and it does the following, add additional lubricity to the surface, remove water spots, and probably add a hint of additional protection. My guess is any quick detailer would work just as well.
 
swanicyouth said:
Dunno. Sometimes you just need to step away from the Polyaminodimethyl Siloxanes and the pondering of the Marangoni Effect and just do what seems to work well in real life.
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I just despise finding out that I am covering-up some LSPs
with what is, in reality: An even more oil-laden product...
(A product now taking over the LSP-neighborhood)

And then stand back; look the vehicle over; and say:
"Well, that worked"!! LOL

Note:
I realize that even though all this waxing may be
deemed: nano-fun...I'm still having FUN!!

But it's probably best I now move on...
The storms are a-howling.
Hail...No. Not yet anyway.


Bob
 
swanicyouth said:
Dunno. Sometimes you just need to step away from the Polyaminodimethyl Siloxanes and the pondering of the Marangoni Effect and just do what seems to work well in real life.
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What he said.
 
To add to the fun of the conversation, there's this bizzare thing called "Water Displacement, 40th formula."

What? A water-repelling liquid... What matter of sorcery is this? Surely it'a ruse! :laughing:
 
BrutalNoodle said:
To add to the fun of the conversation, there's this bizzare thing called "Water Displacement, 40th formula."

What? A water-repelling liquid... What matter of sorcery is this? Surely it'a ruse! :laughing:
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^^^WTC!!^^^
That sounds a little: Fish Oil-y...to me.

:laugh: :out: :l:oud:

Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
"Drying Aids":
(for me) Still conjure-up those desiccant packets; air movers; and the like.

Anyway:
Who doesn't like to talk about IPA?

-I'm one of those that has observed the magic that a single drop
of an alcohol will perform upon a certain amount/area of water.
-Couple that with things like gravitational-force...
Boom!...Water dissipated.

Surfactants do get around:
-I remember in Metallurgy having to study the effects that surfactants have
on Welding processes---the weld "puddle", so to say.
Capillary action, thermo-capillary convection...
even the Marangoni-effect<<<(often found referenced in "rinse-aids")

You might be wondering:
WTBlueBLazes does this have to do with "drying aids" or any of those products
recommended to be used as "drying aids"!

-Take what seems to be an overall favorite product on AGO,
at this point in time: DuraGloss #951.

It has in its formulation:
-Alcohol (propyl alcohol CAS# 71-23-8)
-Surfactants (unspecified)
-Polyaminodimethyl Siloxane (PDMS---a silicone fluid)
-Fragrance (unspecified)

Does DG #951's:
-Surfactants help "clean"?...I will say: Yes.
-Alcohol assist in the Marangoni-effect?...I will say: Yes.
-PDMS leave a "slick feeling"?...
I will say: (since most silicone-fluids will have a "slick feeling"): Yes.


I just wonder:
-Isn't this newly applied "drying aid" (DG #951) now the new-LSP?

-Doesn't this "new-LSP/drying-aid" cover-up the underlying LSP...
the one that a person has paid for, worked so hard to apply properly,
and to enjoy its inherent characteristics?

-How long will DG's selected PDMSs last---their durability(?)...
before the aforementioned underlying LSP comes to fore?


Maybe there is a new product name in the making here after all...
A so-well-named-product that will assist in the reduction of
paint-marring, while drying a vehicle.


Bob
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If you are concerned, use a detail spray instead of a spray wax. That way you aren't applying a new LSP.
 
Poorboy's Spray and Wipe works nicely as a drying aid...meaning using it during the drying process to get a really nice finish.
 
SYMAWD said:
If you are concerned, use a detail spray instead of a spray wax. That way you aren't applying a new LSP.
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That was one of the points:
DuraGloss #951 AquaWax is not a spray-wax...
And look at what it leaves!!

Many QDs are no more than mostly water (90+%) wiith either a little bit of an alcohol or a glycol.
That sure sounds like the makings of a good lubricant to reduce marring from drying a vehicle?!?!

Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
That was one of the points:
DuraGloss #951 AquaWax is not a spray-wax.
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Bob, it just works. Just spend 10 bucks for a bottle and try it yourself. Next you will be telling me my rim is a wheel.
 
Optimum No Rinse is well known as a paint wash, quick detailer, and clay lube yet it has no reported hazardous substances in the MSDS sheet I have. The absence of mentioning whatever it is that contributes to its lubricity and shine does not mean it is not suitable as a drying aid. In fact, ONR is a drying aid by its nature.
 
swanicyouth said:
Bob, it just works. Just spend 10 bucks for a bottle and try it yourself. Next you will be telling me my rim is a wheel.
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Ironically...
I have and use AquaWax quite frequently:
It does keeps the caulked-up canister-housing on my:
Metro Full Size Vac N' Blo...quite shiny! :xyxthumbs:

Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
Ironically...
I have and use AquaWax quite frequently:
I'll have to admit:
It does keeps the caulked-up canister-housing on my:
Metro Full Size Vac N' Blo...quite shiny! :xyxthumbs:

Bob
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Too bad. I was going to offer to send you a free sample.
 
FUNX725 said:
That was one of the points:
DuraGloss #951 AquaWax is not a spray-wax...
And look at what it leaves!!

Many QDs are no more than mostly water (90+%) wiith either a little bit of an alcohol or a glycol.
That sure sounds like the makings of a good lubricant to reduce marring from drying a vehicle?!?!

Bob
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Diethanolamine is found in some car shampoos.

Should we not be using car shampoos either?

799px-Diethanolamine.png


I think there is a point where we need to say that if a product claims to be LSP safe, the small amount of alcohols, glycols, ethers, etc. in them is not enough to be of any issue.
 
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