Guess these "lines" and win something off Nick's desk!

Now it's important to understand what holograms are and how they are caused and how they are different than other paint defects.


I just posted over a dozen pictures of this BEAUTIFUL 1958 Impala in post #14 of the below thread to show and document that although this 1958 Chevy Impala is drop-dead gorgeous it still has holograms in the paint caused by the last machine polishing step and the students attending my class this week is going to not just learn how remove them... they're going to learn how to remove them out of a show car.


Demo Cars for May 2014 Detailing Boot Camp Class


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Yep... the holograms are in the 1958 Impala.


:)
 
I love working black paint! Most rewarding color for me!
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
To make sure everyone understands it's the lines and not the swirls I'm referring to, I've drawn an outline around the holograms using the same picture as seen above.

1958_Impala_Detailed_at_Autogeek_014m.jpg



See them now?

1958_Impala_Detailed_at_Autogeek_014.jpg





:)
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Ok now i see it. I was going to say " how are those holograms" "you have forsaken us!" lol. I went with spiderweb swirls because the picture looked more like this


bmwcobwebswirls.jpg




Then it did this


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Dr_Pain said:
I had the "one word", and then remembered that you said "as well as how I define them in my how-to book", so I had to go back and find the definition and when I pasted it obliterated the single word.:nomore:
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Ding dang... I'm slipping up on my habit of carefully choosing each and every single word I type into everything posted to the Internet.

Good job for reading me literally. :xyxthumbs:



Just02896 said:
Your finger pointed to the center of the photo threw me off!
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I have an article on how to use your finger or some other object to capture defects in paint. It does look like I'm pointing to the sun's reflection where the swirls are emanating around but in practice, (and I practice a lot), I'm really just helping my camera to focus on the surface of the paint.

Here's the article,

How-To capture swirls, scratches, etchings and other surface defects with your camera



Also, technically the bright focal point of light looks like cobweb or spider web scratches but they are in fact holograms it's just that's where the sun is positioned.

You will always see the holograms trailing away from the point of light.

If these were JUST cobweb scratches or cobweb swirls, they would continue emanating away from the point of light outward with none of the lines.

It's the holographic 3D shimmering lines that are the tale-tale sign of holograms and always remember that sometimes in order to see them you must have bright, overhead sunlight.


Great game everyone. The two winners need to PM Nick your shipping info.

Last time I walked by his office he had an empty cheeseburger wrapper and a stick of gum on his desk.


Congratulations!


Im the MAN Im the MAN Im the MAN
 
antti@561detailing said:
by giving us a finger...we all saw swirls first...sneaky :)
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brondondolon said:
Ok now i see it. I was going to say " how are those holograms" "you have forsaken us!" lol. I went with spiderweb swirls because the picture looked more like this


Then it did this
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See my follow-up in post #46


Keep in mind, the scratch pattern was caused by a rotary buffer. It can look like cobweb swirls but the primary culprit at this point in time or root cause was caused by the rotary buffer.


Again...

Good game everyone! Good way to end Thursday...


:)
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Ding dang... I'm slipping up on my habit of carefully choosing each and every single word I type into everything posted to the Internet.

Good job for reading me literally. :xyxthumbs:





I have an article on how to use your finger or some other object to capture defects in paint. It does look like I'm pointing to the sun's reflection where the swirls are emanating around but in practice, (and I practice a lot), I'm really just helping my camera to focus on the surface of the paint.

Here's the article,

How-To capture swirls, scratches, etchings and other surface defects with your camera



Also, technically the bright focal point of light looks like cobweb or spider web scratches but they are in fact holograms it's just that's where the sun is positioned.

You will always see the holograms trailing away from the point of light.

If these were JUST cobweb scratches or cobweb swirls, they would continue emanating away from the point of light outward with none of the lines.

It's the holographic 3D shimmering lines that are the tale-tale sign of holograms and always remember that sometimes in order to see them you must have bright, overhead sunlight.


Great game everyone. The two winners need to PM Nick your shipping info.

Last time I walked by his office he had an empty cheeseburger wrapper and a stick of gum on his desk.


Congratulations!


Im the MAN Im the MAN Im the MAN
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Dibbs on the gum! :-)
ETA: Dammit Ray, I really wanted that gum! Lol!
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Ding dang... I'm slipping up on my habit of carefully choosing each and every single word I type into everything posted to the Internet.

Good job for reading me literally. :xyxthumbs:





I have an article on how to use your finger or some other object to capture defects in paint. It does look like I'm pointing to the sun's reflection where the swirls are emanating around but in practice, (and I practice a lot), I'm really just helping my camera to focus on the surface of the paint.

Here's the article,

How-To capture swirls, scratches, etchings and other surface defects with your camera



Also, technically the bright focal point of light looks like cobweb or spider web scratches but they are in fact holograms it's just that's where the sun is positioned.

You will always see the holograms trailing away from the point of light.

If these were JUST cobweb scratches or cobweb swirls, they would continue emanating away from the point of light outward with none of the lines.

It's the holographic 3D shimmering lines that are the tale-tale sign of holograms and always remember that sometimes in order to see them you must have bright, overhead sunlight.


Great game everyone. The two winners need to PM Nick your shipping info.

Last time I walked by his office he had an empty cheeseburger wrapper and a stick of gum on his desk.


Congratulations!


Im the MAN Im the MAN Im the MAN
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Im the MANIm the MANIm the MANIm the MAN I am excited!! Considering that yesterday was my birthday and got bobcus this will be a nice little gift! Well provided I don't get the empty cheeseburger wrapper.... a full cheeseburger wrapper would be nice!:dblthumb2:

P.S. To be honest I did have a nice steak dinner :hungry:
 
Dr_Pain said:
Im the MANIm the MANIm the MANIm the MAN I am excited!! Considering that yesterday was my birthday and got bobcus this will be a nice little gift! Well provided I don't get the empty cheeseburger wrapper.... a full cheeseburger wrapper would be nice!:dblthumb2:

P.S. To be honest I did have a nice steak dinner :hungry:
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Happy belated B-DAY!
 
Dr_Pain said:
Rotary Buffer Swirls
Also called: Holograms or Buffer Trails


Rotary Buffer Swirls, also called Holograms or Buffer Trails are circular scratches inflicted into paint by a rotary buffer and usually by the individual fibers that make up a wool cutting or polishing pad. The abrasives used in most compounds and polishes can also inflict swirls into a car's finish, thus anytime you're using a wool buffing pad and a compound or polish you now have two things potentially inflicting swirls into the paint.

Foam pads can also inflict rotary buffer swirls into paint depending upon the aggressiveness of the foam formula and the product used.

It is the direct drive rotating action of a rotary buffer that instills the circular pattern of scratches into paint usually in some type of zig-zag pattern that mimics the pattern in which the buffer was moved over the paint by the technician.

A rotary buffer is not evil because it and the buffing pads and compounds used with it impart swirls into paint, it's just a part of the cause and effect from using a direct drive tool that rotates a buffing pad in a single rotating direction.


Rotary Buffer Swirls usually show up when a car is exposed to bright light like the sun when its high overhead in the sky.

It's possible to use a rotary buffer and not instill rotary buffer swirl if the operator has a high skill level and uses quality pads and products. If rotary buffer swirls are instilled into paint, a true professional will do a follow-up process to remove them using less aggressive pads and products and sometimes switch to a different type of tool with a different mechanical polishing action.


The primary visual difference between Rotary Buffer Swirls and Cobweb Swirls is the rotary buffer imparts this identifiable pattern while Cobweb Swirls do not.
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Mike P. U asked for 1 word. Nothing against DR. PAIN but I read 6 word he uses to describe ur lines. (Rotary Buffer Swirls
Also called: Holograms or Buffer Trails) we could all list a whole dictionary...but it was asked for 1 word!

Anyways, happy bday Dr. Pain
 
brondondolon said:
Ok now i see it. I was going to say " how are those holograms" "you have forsaken us!" lol. I went with spiderweb swirls because the picture looked more like this


bmwcobwebswirls.jpg




Then it did this


Photo0402.jpg
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This picture should be placed into police evidence as a crime was committed.
 
First word that came to my mind was Holograms (I've opened Mike's book today!, page 32).

Too bad I arrived late...

Happy Birthday Claude, please, let us know what you earned!


**to notice, I had no doubt on picture since Holograms are what calls attention on that one.


Kind Regards.
 
It seems I've been forgotten. :-(
At least DrPain received his package! :-)
 
stilltipping3 said:
Mike P. U asked for 1 word.
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Well no one was guessing the right word. Kind of surprises me?

For everyone reading this into the future, holograms are the scratch pattern inflicted into paint by the use of a rotary buffer and usually from a wool pad but they can also be instilled using a foam pad.

Other tools don't leave holograms like a rotary buffer, they can leave trails of DA Haze but these are not the same as the scratches left by a pad spinning in a single circular direction i.e. the rotary buffer.


:props:
 
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