is there salt removal chemical for winter cleaning?

SameGuy said:
They must use magic salt in PA.

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Wow. I don't get what is so confusing. We said WITHOUT pressure. You are not going to clean that salt off on pic above with water in a spray bottle. If so, I wouldn't drink it.

Again, no pressure, no car wash, no touching, no drain, in a garage. Spray it, grime falls off. Like the Whip's Salt Removal video. This is why a chemical is needed, the original and title of post.
 
I'm not confused by what you are looking for, I'm just confused why a two-gallon bucket of warm water with 50¢ of D114 or ONR and a sponge is such a chore, when it frankly isn't. Or maybe this whole car care thing isn't so much pastime as burden?

ETA: How does one propose to hose off the Whip's-and-grime concoction without a drain?
 
SameGuy said:
I'm not confused by what you are looking for, I'm just confused why a two-gallon bucket of warm water with 50¢ of D114 or ONR and a sponge is such a chore, when it frankly isn't. Or maybe this whole car care thing isn't so much pastime as burden?

ETA: How does one propose to hose off the Whip's-and-grime concoction without a drain?
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I don't recall any of us saying it was a chore. RW's are quite easy. I'll go back and re-read.

Again, we were looking to knock off the majority of grime before a RW when running water, car wash, pressure washer, etc are not an option due to frigid temps. I've pre-sprayed the panels with ONR for extra lubricity but feel better getting the majority off first, which is what Whips or the TSP/Stoner Pre-Soak does.

Second part: No need to hose off, grime drops to the floor, but I do a rinse with a water-filled pump sprayer just to be safe. Whip's states you can go right to RW after applying. Never tried it.

This doubles as a cabinet shop so there are 4 ceiling mounted air scrubbers and natural gas heat so the water is quickly evaporated.
 
This is an honest question: does anyone here know what's in it? Why is nobody else marketing anything like it, not OPT, not CarPro, 3M, Meguiar's, anyone?

My biggest issues, as I touched on above, are putting unknown chemicals on my paint, adding more chemicals to the environment, storm drains or city sewer lines, and -- let's face it -- cost. Twenty bucks is a LOT of money for 32 ounces of mostly aqua, and from the videos it looks like you'd need a bottle of it to pre-treat an average sized car. Sorry about my cynicism, but to me it looks like a dead herring in the moonlight: it shines, but it stinks.
 
I feel sorry for ANYONE who lives ANYWHERE where salt and snow are an issue. I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio and worked in the auto body repair industry for about ten years back there. In that time I learned a little about salt damage and rust in general.

The problem with washing the salt off your car is this... You're only getting the exposed surfaces clean. While that's not a bad thing, it's typically not where the majority of the salt damage is going to come from. The origin for salt damage is the places you can't get to. I don't care how much washing and rinsing and flushing you do, the salt has infiltrated to recesses where you're not going to be able to remove it and the resulting damage is imminent.

I know it's not practical for everyone, but if I lived in that type of climate now, my pride and joy vehicles would never leave the garage during the winter months. I'd have to have another car that I really didn't care about all the much.
 
I find using a karcher pressure washer loaded with wash and wax helps clean the paintwork and top side of the car and then the Karcher attachment to clean the underside of the bottom of the car which is washed and sealed!

This seems to be a bit OTT for some detailers but I like repeat business and referrals!
 
musclecar22 said:
Perhaps in your area they use something different on the roads. I think they add a little concrete in the mix they put on our roads!
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i think you should contact DOT and complain. Adding concrete doesn't seem fair.
 
Auto Finesse Avalanche via foam cannon and 5 minute dwell since it will be like summer here today. 40° woooowwhhooooo! My new pressure washer has a siphon built in so I'll hit the undercarriage too.
 
Valugard.net makes a wash product specifically for removing salt residue from the paint and the under side of commercial vehicles--PROGARD - Magnesium Chloride Remover
Trailer, Chassis & Truck Wash – VG-502
As well as undercoating products and excellent detailing products.
 
SameGuy said:
This is an honest question: does anyone here know what's in it? Why is nobody else marketing anything like it, not OPT, not CarPro, 3M, Meguiar's, anyone?

My biggest issues, as I touched on above, are putting unknown chemicals on my paint, adding more chemicals to the environment, storm drains or city sewer lines, and -- let's face it -- cost. Twenty bucks is a LOT of money for 32 ounces of mostly aqua, and from the videos it looks like you'd need a bottle of it to pre-treat an average sized car. Sorry about my cynicism, but to me it looks like a dead herring in the moonlight: it shines, but it stinks.
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i asked for an MSDS from them.

though, i'd be surprised how much worse the diluted emulsion is for the environment than tons and tons and tons of salt, calcium chloride and mag chloride. around here they put so much down and most of the time it's honestly not even needed.

two things:

liability and budgeting scams. everyone and their mother gets sued when there is a fatality in NJ. and, putting down salt requires overtime. they will fight tooth and nail to make sure they blow through the supply so they will get budgeted for even more.

i'll let you know what i get back.
 
I really don't see the need for it. After you use it, you still need to rinse your car, so at that point, I might as well just use soap.
 
Thanks, builthatch. That just leaves cost. Even with a foaming trigger, it looks like you'd need a lot. I'll gladly spend the extra 15 minutes with my 50¢ of D114 instead of spending $20 for a bottle of is that will do a single car.
 
SameGuy said:
Thanks, builthatch. That just leaves cost. Even with a foaming trigger, it looks like you'd need a lot. I'll gladly spend the extra 15 minutes with my 50¢ of D114 instead of spending $20 for a bottle of is that will do a single car.
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no sweat. i'm going to test it out this week or wknd. i have a gallon here to play with so we'll see. honestly i think i'd use it most on wheels and lowers considering where a lot of the crap stays post-rinse.

i also sent a note to Dr. G to get his take on that solution on coatings. i know it'll be ok but i just want to see what he says because i'm not a multi-degreed polymer chemist hahaha
 
SameGuy said:
Thanks, builthatch. That just leaves cost. Even with a foaming trigger, it looks like you'd need a lot. I'll gladly spend the extra 15 minutes with my 50¢ of D114 instead of spending $20 for a bottle of is that will do a single car.
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Not about time or money, we all spend plenty of both.

So single digit temps making anything outdoors out, no drain in garage so you can't use running water and your car is a salt ball, you would go right to a RW? I assume you pre-spray?

D114 is next once my ONR is out, perhaps that is safer and I won't need a pre-soak. I'll take your word for it and give it a go.
 
I pre-soak with 1:16 or 1:32 RW in a garden sprayer, then do a normal 2BM RW with a MM IncrediPad and a stack of Eagle Edgeless towels. Am I causing marring? Probably, but as others have pointed out, the car gets dirty the very next moment after I finish a maintenance wash and pull out of the garage; I'm ready to do a paint correction in the spring. Or I'll be correcting after the wash anyway.
 
ski2 said:
Valugard.net makes a wash product specifically for removing salt residue from the paint and the under side of commercial vehicles--PROGARD - Magnesium Chloride Remover
Trailer, Chassis & Truck Wash – VG-502
As well as undercoating products and excellent detailing products.
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I have been looking at the Valugard products and am interested in their rust prevent product but couldn't find where to purchase the larger bottles in their store. They only have the aerosol cans listed which I am not interested in. I am more interested in their system with the wand extenders etc. I did just email them but does anyone know of another place to purchase that system from them?

Thanks,

-Bob
 
My father owns a floor care company, carpet, vct, ceramic, etc. He also makes and sales floor care chemicals. A new neutral ph cleaner for vct he has this year is specifically designed for salt/ Ice melt removal. During the winter in cambria county PA it is definitely like concrete when the slush gets dragged through a grocery store floor. Clean it all you want with a regular floor cleaner, salt residue remains and you can see it when it dries. This new cleaner eliminates all salt easily. I am currently experimenting with vehicles and so far good luck. PM me if interested in trying it.

His March blog on his site actually is about salt and ice melt. Nice little read. www.floorcaremd.com
 
I have the same problem.... I'm from Montreal, CANADA and the winter are really hard on the carpets... I bought an extractor (Durrmaid 1500 from Chemical Guys) thinking it would solve my problem... but.. no...

I also have all the Chemical Guys's products for fabric an unpholstery (FabricClean, Lightning Fast Stain Extractor, Nonsense) and the yellow brush for the carpets.

I've been told that vinegar works but I don't want to put vinegar in a customer's car... I'm looking for THE way to take that *@%#!& salt off...

Need help !!!!
 
I've had Whip's Wax Road Salt Remover remove old salt stains that an extractor couldn't budge.
 
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