Opticoat 2.0 discontinued, OptiCoat Pro sees price increase

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Some info trickling in on other forums, one poster who has used Gloss-Coat, said appearance and slickness better than OC 2.0, application easier. Guess it's too soon to tell on durability.
 
builthatch said:
that's what CQ Finest's warranty is though...and that's a pro product! someone correct me if that has changed.
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You are correct!! I've installed several variety of coatings and product v. product Finest is the best PRO product on the market. I personally haven't done a longevity test however the "lifetime" claim always has left a bad taste in my mouth, so have never used it as part of my marketing. I think this restructuring is going to hurt OPT's coating line.Their market share was definitely the 40cc (multi car) syringe. Now that it is being discontinued and now that OCP is being revamped in territories, I think we will see a lot of people jumping ship. CQUK has seen a few upgrades and gaining major momentum in the consumer grade coating, whereas I see this restructuring to be a downgrading of OPT consumer line
 
KillaCam said:
10cc for $60 is ridiculous. Cquartz is much more of a bargain.
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really? you pay $50-$60 for enough consumer-grade CQ (30 ml) to do one average sized car, right?

10cc of 2.0 will do two cars of the same size imo if you use it right. but even if it did one...it's priced about same and with the new tweaks, looks like it'll be a better product anyway.
 
Wow, this discussion has really struck me funny now...along the way in my time on detailing forums, from time to time people have decried the lack of "certification" and standardization, that allows hacks to exist. It seems to me that Optimum is trying to certify and standardize the application of their warrantied coating, and however dismaying that may be to me as a hobbyist as far as the availability of good products, I would think the pros would be happy to be able to differentiate their service.

I realize from other forums that part of this change effectively eliminates part-time detailers from the Optimum network (due to minimum purchase commitments) so I guess I can understand the animosity toward that.
 
I don't see this as a bad move at all. They took 2.0 and enhanced all properties other than durability. How many other companies have permanent coatings? None. Who says gloss-coat can't rival CQ Finest which is 2 years protection as well? Plus, Optimum still has the PRO version which will be very exclusive and still the only permanent coating on the market.
 
ZL1 Mark said:
They took 2.0 and enhanced all properties other than durability.
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Do you know that for sure? I'm just asking if that's speculation or if a little birdie told you that.

I'll speculate that Gloss-Coat is not a downgrade at all from OC 2.0, and that they simply wanted to get a DIFFERENT NAME on the consumer product.

It's been reported many times that certified OCP installers have been undercut by people applying OC 2.0 and telling the customers that they are applying Opti-Coat, same as the certified installer.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Wow, this discussion has really struck me funny now...along the way in my time on detailing forums, from time to time people have decried the lack of "certification" and standardization, that allows hacks to exist. It seems to me that Optimum is trying to certify and standardize the application of their warrantied coating, and however dismaying that may be to me as a hobbyist as far as the availability of good products, I would think the pros would be happy to be able to differentiate their service.

I realize from other forums that part of this change effectively eliminates part-time detailers from the Optimum network (due to minimum purchase commitments) so I guess I can understand the animosity toward that.
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exactly. and to boot, he's still offering to consumers what from all prelim reports is an improved product over the previous consumer product. i'll have to PM you to find out where you saw other info on forums because my info is mainly coming from PMs, but what you said jives with what i've also heard.

to me it seems that anyone who likes OPT products as a pro won't have a problem making a reasonable quota to maintain their authorized installer status. i mean, how many cars a month will it take to make that quota?? probably very few :)

i just wish i knew how much CQF was. i am not privy to that info but it would make for some intriguing program comparisons.
 
builthatch said:
really? you pay $50-$60 for enough consumer-grade CQ (30 ml) to do one average sized car, right?

10cc of 2.0 will do two cars of the same size imo if you use it right. but even if it did one...it's priced about same and with the new tweaks, looks like it'll be a better product anyway.
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30ml of Cquartz will easily do 2 cars.
 
OPTIMUM PROFESSIONAL PRODUCTS ANNOUNCEMENT

Effective with this communication, there are major improvements to the Optimum product line and the Professional Program.

Opti-Coat 2.0 is being discontinued immediately and will be replaced with a hybrid consumer product with up to 2 years durability, Gloss Coat. Gloss Coat will be priced $59.99 for 10 mls.

Opti-Coat Pro will only be sold in the 10 ml Warranty Package ($150) and that warranty will be 5 years. The Lifetime Warranty and 40 ml syringe are discontinued. The 10 ml syringe is enough product for 1 vehicle and installers should use an entire package for each application, going over areas of heavy impact such as the hood with a second coat if there is product left. Every Opti-Coat Pro sale will carry the 5 year Warranty for any vehicle less than 5 model year old. Any Lifetime Warranty sold prior to this change will be honored as long as the printed requirements are met. The Minimum Suggested Price for a warranty Opti-Coat Pro installation is $495.

Opti-Coat Approved Installers will be required to purchase a minimum of $300 in Optimum products per month to remain authorized and listed in the Opti-Coat database. Purchases will be reviewed quarterly. Optimum is offering a 20% discount to Pro Installers on all non-professional products for full case orders (and the cases can be mixed product).

Chris Thomas and Dann Williams have been appointed Regional Managers; Chris will manage East of the Mississippi and Dann the West. They will handle technical issues, training, and are involved with Installer Approvals, and in general deal with Professional questions from the field.

New Optimum Products, including a dedicated Opti-Coat line available in coming months:

OptI-Coat Spot Remover
Opti-Coat Iron Remover
Opti-Coat Prep Solution
Opti-Coat Maintenance Wash
Opti-Trim Restore
Opti-Trim Protect

As labels and packaging are available these products will be introduced.

YOUR OPTIMUM TEAM
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Wow, this discussion has really struck me funny now...along the way in my time on detailing forums, from time to time people have decried the lack of "certification" and standardization, that allows hacks to exist. It seems to me that Optimum is trying to certify and standardize the application of their warrantied coating, and however dismaying that may be to me as a hobbyist as far as the availability of good products, I would think the pros would be happy to be able to differentiate their service.

I realize from other forums that part of this change effectively eliminates part-time detailers from the Optimum network (due to minimum purchase commitments) so I guess I can understand the animosity toward that.
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Are you saying that they will be reviewing each of their current PRO installers to see if they will be 'certified', or will they only certify the peeps that purchase enough to stay above the minimum purchase requirement?? because that sure won't remove some of the current hacks they have amongst their ranks. I applaud them for wanting to tighten up the reigns but I think the ship has been out of port a little too long for that.
 
refreshauto said:
Opti-Coat 2.0 is being discontinued immediately and will be replaced with a hybrid consumer product with up to 2 years durability, Gloss Coat.
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That certainly sounds like a degraded product that will have less durability, especially on my favorite application, wheels.

Interesting about the other products coming, I presume they will be all pro-only since they are Opti-Coat products. I wonder if any of them will have consumer analogues.
 
Dr_Pain said:
Are you saying that they will be reviewing each of their current PRO installers to see if they will be 'certified', or will they only certify the peeps that purchase enough to stay above the minimum purchase requirement?? because that sure won't remove some of the current hacks they have amongst their ranks. I applaud them for wanting to tighten up the reigns but I think the ship has been out of port a little too long for that.
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Shucks, I dunno, read the letter that was just posted.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Shucks, I dunno, read the letter that was just posted.
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I was obviously facetious in my remarks. I understand the issues they have with hacks passing OC2.0 as OCP but this change won't improve the loyalty of the hacks capitalizing on the poor unsuspected customer.

Personally, reading the letter, I feel like they downgraded rather then trying to set the bar higher. All the car forums will be spewing this reduction in warranty for what it is.... an inferior product or a reflection of a prior product that could not match the 'lifetime' hype they were known for
 
Dr_Pain said:
I was obviously facetious in my remarks. I understand the issues they have with hacks passing OC2.0 as OCP but this change won't improve the loyalty of the hacks capitalizing on the poor unsuspected customer.
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I dunno, I got no dog in the hunt, car in the show, whatever that metaphor is supposed to be, but at least the hacks won't be able to show the customer a syringe that says Opti-Coat (2.0) on it.
 
Chase.Detailing said:
Where can I get the last stock of 2.0? Help me!!!!
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Ha ha, I didn't even look at the AG store page, how long has it said "back ordered"? I wonder if they were forced to pull it, or if everyone just went there to buy it up and it's gone already.
 
This thread is like the "Feature Table" at the WSOP.
 
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