Opticoat 2.0 discontinued, OptiCoat Pro sees price increase

[Setec Astronomy]

This makes sense but is the new Opti Gloss a clear coat or a sealant? That would be interesting to know.

That official communication that was posted called it a "hybrid product". I would speculate that gives it some properties of a sealant (gloss, slickness) with some properties of a "clear coat" (extended life).

Remember the reports that Dr. G developed Opti-Seal as a step along the way to developing Opti-Coat, so it's not much of a stretch to imagine him "mixing the two together".

 

[kaanage]

Why can't it be a really, really thin clearcoat, one that is too thin to fill imperfections? That is Dr. G's resume, developing clearcoat paints. Maybe he thought outside the box and created a one-part, hand applied, super-thin clearcoat with even better properties than what he did when he worked at a paint company.

And what is the advantage of this? Why wouldn't he make it thicker so it could fill.
Like clearcoat does?

I'm NOT saying it isn't a great coating with some unique properties. But it isn't a clearcoat - not unless you also allow other coatings to regarded as such.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

And what is the advantage of this? Why wouldn't he make it thicker so it could fill.
Like clearcoat does?

Because maybe if it was thicker it couldn't be applied evenly by hand...and then it would have to be sprayed, in a booth, like a clearcoat is...kind of defeating the purpose of a coating the could be easily applied by a detailer.

 

[kaanage]

Exactly. You have a tradeoff of properties, which is why it isn't paint but rather a coating that protects the underlying paint (which these days is most commonly clear over the base).

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Exactly. You have a tradeoff of properties, which is why it isn't paint but rather a coating that protects the underlying paint (which these days is most commonly clear over the base).

You're really splitting hairs here, I could easily describe a paint as a coating in a different context. In fact, PPG, where Dr. G used to work, calls their "car paint" division Automotive OEM Coatings AUTOMOTIVE OEM COATINGS - PPG Industries . Perhaps you should send them an email telling them they don't make coatings, they make paint.

 

[FUNX650]

If it was a clear coat type product don't you think they would put more than a 2 year life on it?

With the life they are stating for the Opti-gloss or Gloss-Coat I would have to think that it wont be a clear coat type product.

I bet the reason that Optimum's Pro Coating's version..(said to be a "clearcoat type" product)...warranty has now been redacted from covering this product as being permanent, to now only being covered/warranted for five (5) years...
Is that the half-life of automotive CC paint UV absorbers is also five (5) years.

Additionally automotive UV absorbers which are very durable,
have a 5 year half life, meaning that every five years
the concentration is reduced by 50% percent.

So:

•If Optimum's Pro Coating does not, in fact, contain the automotive UV absorbers...
-Then I personally can't see this five (5) year half-life expectancy being exceeded by any Coating warranty.
-Is it really a "true clear coat product"?
-Is it really a "true clear coat product"...just minus UV absorbers?


•The "The Laws of Decay", also come to mind.

Bob

 

[EvolutionDetail]

Idk whats going on with Opt, except they dropped their OC 2.0 and came out with this new Gloss Coat for the same price point but half the product compare to OC 2.0.
That is a DRAMATIC increase.

 

[kaanage]

You're really splitting hairs here, I could easily describe a paint as a coating in a different context. In fact, PPG, where Dr. G used to work, calls their "car paint" division Automotive OEM Coatings AUTOMOTIVE OEM COATINGS - PPG Industries . Perhaps you should send them an email telling them they don't make coatings, they make paint.

So what then defines Opticoat as being a clearcoat compared to other coatings?
Should OPT start marketing it as OptiPaint, to distinguish from the "non-clearcoat" coatings?

You can compound and polish paint. How does Opticoat respond to being compounded?

Maybe we should get one of the OPT people to make the statement about Opticoat being a form of paint as distinct from all the competition. Somehow, I don't see that happening

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Maybe we should get one of the OPT people to make the statement about Opticoat being a form of paint as distinct from all the competition. Somehow, I don't see that happening

We don't need to do that, it's right on the Opti-Coat website:

Opti-Coat is a hard wearing, ceramic clear coat for superior resistance to scratching (9H) and protection from chemical etching due to environmental impacts.

The Opti-Coat pre-polymer cross links, and forms a continuous protective film on the painted surface it is applied to, similar to a single component isocyanate that forms a clear coat finish.

Opti-Coat has better chemical resistance, scratch & mar resistance, and release properties than any automotive paint coating in use. It provides permanent protection for all modern factory paints and can also be used to protect metal and hard plastic surfaces.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Idk whats going on with Opt, except they dropped their OC 2.0 and came out with this new Gloss Coat for the same price point but half the product compare to OC 2.0.
That is a DRAMATIC increase.

It's not the same price point, the MSRP for Opti-Coat 2.0 was $80, for Gloss-Coat is $60 (to be fair, when OC 2.0 was first released, it was $60). So the reality, volume-for-volume, Gloss-Coat is 50% more expensive, which is a significant increase to be sure, but it's not double.

As others have stated, for context, a bottle of BFWD is $50, a jar of Souveran is $95, a jar of Wolfgang Fuzion is $195 (admittedly, those will do a lot more applications than a syringe of OGC).

Hey, I'm not happy about all this either, I wish Gloss-Coat was an addition to OC 2.0, rather than a replacement; that would allow us to choose the combination of properties based on the vehicle/application we were using them for.

 

[HD.Detailing]

We don't need to do that, it's right on the Opti-Coat website:

Opti-Coat is a hard wearing, ceramic clear coat for superior resistance to scratching (9H) and protection from chemical etching due to environmental impacts.

The Opti-Coat pre-polymer cross links, and forms a continuous protective film on the painted surface it is applied to, similar to a single component isocyanate that forms a clear coat finish.

Opti-Coat has better chemical resistance, scratch & mar resistance, and release properties than any automotive paint coating in use. It provides permanent protection for all modern factory paints and can also be used to protect metal and hard plastic surfaces.

this is what I have an issue with.

definition of permanent

lasting or continuing for a very long time or forever : not temporary or changing

5 year warranty seems misleading.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Eh, we're going around in circles. Does the car mfr. consider the paint on the car to be permanent? I would hope so, if they told you the paint on the car wasn't permanent, you probably wouldn't buy the car would you? What is the warranty on the factory paint on the car? I don't think it's even 5 years, how do you think the dealers get away selling "permanent" paint protection to the customers as an upsell? Why would they need that if the factory paint is permanent?

 

[HD.Detailing]

Eh, we're going around in circles. Does the car mfr. consider the paint on the car to be permanent? I would hope so, if they told you the paint on the car wasn't permanent, you probably wouldn't buy the car would you? What is the warranty on the factory paint on the car? I don't think it's even 5 years, how do you think the dealers get away selling "permanent" paint protection to the customers as an upsell? Why would they need that if the factory paint is permanent?

when you buy a car, no where does the maker state paint is permanent.

Optimum stated OCPro and OC 2.0 were permanent and OCPro carried a lifetime warranty. Now, one product has been discontinued and the other has a drastically reduced warranty but still being called permanent.

Stating something is permanent when in reality it isn't, well that is wrong and misleading.

 

[2old2change]

Food for thought. I would not be surprised that the new warranty was developed to fall into line for what is needed for the pro version to be offered at new car dealerships and have the blessing of the vehicle manufacturers. This is just my opinion.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I just looked at the warranty for my GM car. Can we agree that the paint they put on the car at the factory should be considered "permanent"? I mean, it's not on the maintenance schedule anywhere where at a certain time or mileage I have to repaint the car. So from my warranty book:

Paint, Trim, and Appearance Items

Defects in paint, trim, upholstery, or other appearance items are normally corrected during new vehicle preparation. If you find any paint or appearance concerns pleas advise your dealer as soon as possible. Your owner manual has instructions regarding the care of these items.


So that sounds like if you have a factory paint defect and don't see it when you take delivery or right after, you're SOL.



Chemical Paint Spotting

Some weather and atmospheric conditions can create a chemical fallout. Airborne pollutants can fall upon and adhere to painted surfaces on your vehicle. This damage can take two forms: blotchy, ring-shape discolorations, and/or small irregular dark spots etched into the paint surfaces.

Although no defect in the factory applied paint causes this, (GM division) will repair, at no charge to the owner, the painted surfaces of new vehicles damaged by this fallout condition within 12 months or 12,000 miles of purchase, whichever comes first.


So my "permanent" factory paint is warrantied for 6 months if I drive 25K miles a year. Dr. G's warranty sounds pretty good now, doesn't it?

There is a difference between "permanent" and "forever".

 

[Setec Astronomy]

when you buy a car, no where does the maker state paint is permanent.

So if it's not permanent, what is it? It must be...temporary? Life-limited?

And why are you then worried about whether Opti-Coat is permanent? If the paint isn't permanent, it's going to fall off and take the OC with it. Besides, the CAR isn't permanent, it's going to get wrecked, wear out, fall into a black hole, etc. So we have non-permanent paint on a non-permanent vehicle and you guys are torqued that Dr. G won't give Opti-Coat a lifetime warranty anymore.

Do you guys listen to yourselves? This has become a silly argument.

As someone said on another forum, it's probably just that Optimum realized that someone could come back in 25 years with a POS and demand a repaint under the "lifetime" warranty.

I can see Dr. G down in his retirement condo in Del Boca Vista, helping the guy back the thing into his garage for a quick spray.

Well, I got cesspools to suck. Bonus points for anyone who identifies the movie/tv references.

 

[SYMAWD]

Eh, we're going around in circles. Does the car mfr. consider the paint on the car to be permanent? I would hope so, if they told you the paint on the car wasn't permanent, you probably wouldn't buy the car would you? What is the warranty on the factory paint on the car? I don't think it's even 5 years, how do you think the dealers get away selling "permanent" paint protection to the customers as an upsell? Why would they need that if the factory paint is permanent?

I believe the longest paint warranty is VW at 12 years unlimited miles.

 

[HD.Detailing]

I didn't see the word permanent from the maker listed.

Coatings are not permanent. Optimum should redact that wording.

Setec.. I understand what you are saying.. I think putting permanent in the description and reducing warranty is misleading.

We could go on forever, but my statement stands fwiw.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I believe the longest paint warranty is VW at 12 years unlimited miles.

Is that paint or rust-through? Rust through is different. I can't imagine any vehicle mfr. warrantying the paint for that long, one bird bomb and you can be down to the metal.

 

[HD.Detailing]

So if it's not permanent, what is it? It must be...temporary? Life-limited?

And why are you then worried about whether Opti-Coat is permanent? If the paint isn't permanent, it's going to fall off and take the OC with it. Besides, the CAR isn't permanent, it's going to get wrecked, wear out, fall into a black hole, etc. So we have non-permanent paint on a non-permanent vehicle and you guys are torqued that Dr. G won't give Opti-Coat a lifetime warranty anymore.

Do you guys listen to yourselves? This has become a silly argument.

As someone said on another forum, it's probably just that Optimum realized that someone could come back in 25 years with a POS and demand a repaint under the "lifetime" warranty.

I can see Dr. G down in his retirement condo in Del Boca Vista, helping the guy back the thing into his garage for a quick spray.

Well, I got cesspools to suck. Bonus points for anyone who identifies the movie/tv references.

exactly... as I said REDACT permanent from the description, OPT.