Which coating will fill the Opti-Coat 2.0 void?

from my research it is much cheaper if you coated a vehicle twice with opticoat 2.0 and let it sit for 30 days versus....coating with opt pro. downside is the wait time for full cure
 
on a side note, if you have the cash and don't care..... look at
bc-05 advanced glass coating
 
lionshark said:
im having a problem with opt as well. tried to get there pro version but at $300 minimum buy a month....i'm looking at cquartz finest...which apparently isn't branching to my area yet.....so I'm screwed...might do the cquartz uk/black label coating thing for a while until i can get some real stuff. actually kinda pissed considering i'm actually a legit detailing business.....and I can't get my hands on the best coatings without paying 1000's......facepalm...seriously...:doh:
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I get your point that it's expensive, but if you're selling it, than your really making more money with the pro version compared to 2.0. I was on the fence just like you, and took the plunge with OPT. I figured worst case scenario, I do it for a few months, stock up on a bunch of my products (the $300 can be any Optimum products, not just Opticoat) and if no one bites, I've got a few tubes of the pro stuff to sell after I'm no longer an authorized dealer, or put them on my own cars. There's not a huge risk involved with giving it a shot.

Just my .02
 
lionshark said:
considering the cost of opt's pro coating which is hundreds....thus hundreds for the customer. one application is very expensive. now for cquartz.....not as expensive but still kinda pricey .....at least you get 2 coatings (2-3 microns).
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Are you saying you get a coating 2-3 microns thick on two vehicles with CQuartz Pro version?

How many cc's are in a bottle?
 
allenk4 said:
Surprised they are still making the claim of permanence, but won't back it up with a warranty anymore
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This is such a specious argument. Warranties never last the lifetime of the product. If a car has a 4 yr/50,000 mile warranty I should only expect it to last for 4 years? Or only 50,000 miles? I just bought a battery that had a 3 year warranty, and it was an expensive one, should I only expect it to last 3 years?

The computer I'm typing on only came with a one year warranty, but yet somehow, here I am 3.5 years later, and it's still working.

It's likely that Dr. G, who is first a chemist and maybe 6th a warranty lawyer, was naïve how complicated it was going to be down the road to offer a lifetime warranty. I mean someone might come back in 30 years with a 2013 Suburban that's worth $2 and demand to have it repainted because there's a lifetime warranty on the coating. It's also been pointed out that the warranty had/has enough weasel words in it that it's unlikely anyone is ever going to be able to make a claim anyway.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
This is such a specious argument. Warranties never last the lifetime of the product. If a car has a 4 yr/50,000 mile warranty I should only expect it to last for 4 years? Or only 50,000 miles? I just bought a battery that had a 3 year warranty, and it was an expensive one, should I only expect it to last 3 years?

The computer I'm typing on only came with a one year warranty, but yet somehow, here I am 3.5 years later, and it's still working.

It's likely that Dr. G, who is first a chemist and maybe 6th a warranty lawyer, was naïve how complicated it was going to be down the road to offer a lifetime warranty. I mean someone might come back in 30 years with a 2013 Suburban that's worth $2 and demand to have it repainted because there's a lifetime warranty on the coating. It's also been pointed out that the warranty had/has enough weasel words in it that it's unlikely anyone is ever going to be able to make a claim anyway.
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I don't understand why you would ask if you should expect something to last at least as long as the manufacturer warranties it for...the answer is YES!

The car in your example is warrantied against manufacturers defects for 4 years OR 50,000 miles

Your computer is warranties for a year. You have purchased a computer and the piece of mind that if it fails during the warranty period, it will be repaired or replaced. You probably could have purchased a used computer for significantly less, but it wouldn't have the 1 year warranty

Warranties are a Marketing tool that helps ease Buyers Remorse. If it turns out to be junk...they will replace it.

OPT used the lifetime warranty on OCP to sell more product at a higher price

If I bought mud flaps that had a lifetime warranty for a 2013 Suburban, I would expect that they would last until the final mile that truck was in use

Large companies have actuaries who do in-depth analysis of ROI when offering a warranty. Maybe, OPT didn't do that and the warranty costs proved unmanageable, maybe someone sued them for deceptive marketing practices, maybe, lots of maybes

To paraphrase Mike Phillips, Words mean things, choose them carefully

Lifetime is Lifetime
 
You are putting words in my mouth, of course I expect a product to last for the entire warranty period, in fact I expect it to last much longer than the warranty period.

Out in the real world, lifetime warranties are pretty hard to manage. As you noted, by offering a 5 year warranty a customer has a pretty good expectation that the coating will last for 5-10 years, which is easily as long as most new car owners will keep their car.

I get a kick out of how you think you are the only one on the forum who has ever thought about or understands how warranties are marketed, sold, satisfied, etc.
 
allenk4 said:
Are you saying you get a coating 2-3 microns thick on two vehicles with CQuartz Pro version?

How many cc's are in a bottle?
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CQF is sold in kits with a 50ml bottle, applicator, several 4" suede applicator cloths, a large suede cloth, CQF door stickers w/ serial #'s, CarPro warranty card, and a couple CQ window stickers.

Typically the entire 50ml bottle will be used on one vehicle to ensure the thickest coating possible. This allows total coverage of 2 coats for all painted surfaces.

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Setec Astronomy said:
You are putting words in my mouth, of course I expect a product to last for the entire warranty period, in fact I expect it to last much longer than the warranty period.

Out in the real world, lifetime warranties are pretty hard to manage. As you noted, by offering a 5 year warranty a customer has a pretty good expectation that the coating will last for 5-10 years, which is easily as long as most new car owners will keep their car.

I get a kick out of how you think you are the only one on the forum who has ever thought about or understands how warranties are marketed, sold, satisfied, etc.
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"..of course I expect a product to last for the entire warranty period"

Glad you said it yourself

"...in fact I expect it to last much longer than the warranty period."

Why would you expect a coating warranties for a set period of time to last longer than that?

"As you noted, by offering a 5 year warranty a customer has a pretty good expectation that the coating will last for 5-10 years"

I never "noted" or in anyway expressed the idea you are attributing to me, ever.
 
Nicholas@Autowerx said:
CQF is sold in kits with a 50ml bottle, applicator, several 4" suede applicator cloths, a large suede cloth, CQF door stickers w/ serial #'s, CarPro warranty card, and a couple CQ window stickers.

Typically the entire 50ml bottle will be used on one vehicle to ensure the thickest coating possible. This allows total coverage of 2 coats for all painted surfaces.

Sent from my N9810 using AG Online
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Thanks Nick

I think the thickness claims for CQuartz can actually be achieved with the amount of product in the bottle

I am convinced that the OPT thickness claims are not possible with the amount of product (20mL) in a syringe of Opti-Coat 2.0

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...s/84601-how-thick-could-coating-possibly.html
 
allenk4 said:
"..of course I expect a product to last for the entire warranty period"

Glad you said it yourself

"...in fact I expect it to last much longer than the warranty period."

Why would you expect a coating warranties for a set period of time to last longer than that?

"As you noted, by offering a 5 year warranty a customer has a pretty good expectation that the coating will last for 5-10 years"

I never "noted" or in anyway expressed the idea you are attributing to me, ever.
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Whatever.
 
jarred767 said:
I get your point that it's expensive, but if you're selling it, than your really making more money with the pro version compared to 2.0. I was on the fence just like you, and took the plunge with OPT. I figured worst case scenario, I do it for a few months, stock up on a bunch of my products (the $300 can be any Optimum products, not just Opticoat) and if no one bites, I've got a few tubes of the pro stuff to sell after I'm no longer an authorized dealer, or put them on my own cars. There's not a huge risk involved with giving it a shot.

Just my .02
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I thought of this myself. Might pull the trigger on it but i'm still on the fence. right now, id rather get the cquartz finest......we shall see. i would hate to market optpro installation then have to drop it a couple months down the road.
 
lionshark said:
I thought of this myself. Might pull the trigger on it but i'm still on the fence. right now, id rather get the cquartz finest......we shall see. i would hate to market optpro installation then have to drop it a couple months down the road.
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Well, we'd all like a crystal ball Im the MAN

But what if you look at the other side of the equation and you work your butt off marketing it and it takes off and you can be making a couple extra thousand dollars a month doing the same amount of work as now. If you knew that was the case, you'd probably be less hesitant to pull the trigger.

No matter what you do, we all have to remember that we are each our own businesses "secret sauce" and its up to us to make the choices and make it work for us. Whether you go with OCP or CQF, I wish you the best. :dblthumb2:
 
jarred767 said:
Well, we'd all like a crystal ball Im the MAN

But what if you look at the other side of the equation and you work your butt off marketing it and it takes off and you can be making a couple extra thousand dollars a month doing the same amount of work as now. If you knew that was the case, you'd probably be less hesitant to pull the trigger.

No matter what you do, we all have to remember that we are each our own businesses "secret sauce" and its up to us to make the choices and make it work for us. Whether you go with OCP or CQF, I wish you the best. :dblthumb2:
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haha...that would be awesome for sure. Thx and good luck in your business as well!
 
BlueBeast14GT said:
...except for this. This is a very good point.
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While Gloss Coat is not sold as a permanent coating (and it may not be) the reason is that unlike the previous 2 products, GC has not been tested. But we do know from Dr G that you will get at least 2 years out of it.
 
I pretty much wrote long essay about warranty, clipped it down to minimum. This still might be too much for some people lol


When you buy a product, you also agree to certain terms and condition. Terms are conditions are part of documentation that comes with product. People mostly overlook it, hardly anyone bother to read it. Bit like opening a new Email account. If you do not agree to terms and condition, you cannot open a account.

Term Life Time Warranty.

When a manufacture say product comes with a lifetime warranty. Whose lifetime are we talking about? Its not the car owner’s or car’s life. It is the ‘life of product’.

Expected life or life of product is mentioned in terms and condition that you did not bother reading.

Coating Manufacturer decides the life of the product. That way they can say warranty is a lifetime warranty. (It does sound fishy, but that’s how real world works) If product life is 5 years, then life time warranty will be five years.

Is a product expected to last Warranty Duration? Yes. If you use it in a way, it was designed to be used. Take for example, car warranty; it could be 4 years / 40000 KMs. If you make any modification to engine for racing purpose, you void the warranty.

Hope this helps. :)
 
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