Seems like Wolfgang sealant is gone already

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Hey guys. In late August I detailed my truck and applied wolfgang paint sealant and topped that with fuzion. A few weekends ago I put another coat of fuzion on the truck. Along the sides of the truck the water doesn't bead up anymore and seems as if there is no longer any kind of protection left. Is this the case? Winter is slowly approaching and I want it to be protected, but I don't really have the time to give another detail due to school. Sorry for the small picture, but you can see where the water stops beading and it does that all along each side. Feed back please
 
11Silverado said:
Hey guys. In late August I detailed my truck and applied wolfgang paint sealant and topped that with fuzion. A few weekends ago I put another coat of fuzion on the truck. Along the sides of the truck the water doesn't bead up anymore and seems as if there is no longer any kind of protection left. Is this the case? Winter is slowly approaching and I want it to be protected, but I don't really have the time to give another detail due to school. Sorry for the small picture, but you can see where the water stops beading and it does that all along each side. Feed back please
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Was this picture taken before or after the car was washed?
 
That was before it was washed. I had only rinsed it at that point.
 
The water won't bead very well on a dirty car. Like Don M hints at, the state after the wash is the important measure. I've had cars with heavy dust and pollen exhibit the behavior of a car that's way beyond the life of the LSP. As soon as its clean, bead city once again.
 
Desertnate said:
The water won't bead very well on a dirty car. Like Don M hints at, the state after the wash is the important measure. I've had cars with heavy dust and pollen exhibit the behavior of a car that's way beyond the life of the LSP. As soon as its clean, bead city once again.
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+1.
That is exactly where I was getting to. I experienced the exact same issue on a vehicle I coated with CQuartz. I exhibited no beading on the lower panel due to the buildup of dirt on the surface. At first I thought it was due to failure of proper application. Once the panel was properly washed and rinsed you could tell the coating was still there at full strength.
Hope this is the case!
 
Honestly I can't remember if it beaded after I washed. This was a few days ago, but what you guys are saying makes sense. I'll be sure to look for that next time I wash it. Thank you!
 
Even after a wash, the beading can't always be trusted...depends on the soap you used and how thoroughly it was rinsed from the surface


What car wash soap are you using?


If your prep and application was the same on the vertical and horizontal surfaces...the horizontal surfaces will typically fail before the vertical.

If the hood is still beading, you can be reasonably assured that the sides are protected
 
allenk4 said:
Even after a wash, the beading can't always be trusted...depends on the soap you used and how thoroughly it was rinsed from the surface


What car wash soap are you using?


If your prep and application was the same on the vertical and horizontal surfaces...the horizontal surfaces will typically fail before the vertical.

If the hood is still beading, you can be reasonably assured that the sides are protected
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My experience has been the opposite, as the horizontals gets pounded by the rain and water and fall out just sits. Whereas, water and pollution just runs off the verticals. Granted dirt does stick to the sides, but on a well sealed car it washes off easily without harming the LSP. The flat panels are much more exposed to the elements than the vertical panels.
 
Rsurfer said:
My experience has been the opposite, as the horizontals gets pounded by the rain and water and fall out just sits. Whereas, water and pollution just runs off the verticals. Granted dirt does stick to the sides, but on a well sealed car it washes off easily without harming the LSP. The flat panels are much more exposed to the elements than the vertical panels.
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But the vertical panels have to deal with the 'high pressure' spray coming off the tires from driving in the rain, that has to put the sides through a beating.
 
11Silverado said:
Hey guys. In late August I detailed my truck and applied wolfgang paint sealant and topped that with fuzion. A few weekends ago I put another coat of fuzion on the truck. Along the sides of the truck the water doesn't bead up anymore and seems as if there is no longer any kind of protection left. Is this the case? Winter is slowly approaching and I want it to be protected, but I don't really have the time to give another detail due to school. Sorry for the small picture, but you can see where the water stops beading and it does that all along each side. Feed back please
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A film of dirt on the paint is going to change the beading characteristics of any wax, sealant, or coating.

I don't think anyone else has asked this yet, but how did you prep the paint for application of the sealant when you initially applied it in August?
 
Nick@Autogeek said:
A film of dirt on the paint is going to change the beading characteristics of any wax, sealant, or coating.

I don't think anyone else has asked this yet, but how did you prep the paint for application of the sealant when you initially applied it in August?
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So right you are Nick. :xyxthumbs:

To test the real characteristics of a sealant or wax you need to wash the car with a wash that doesn't either leave protection or strip an LSP. Something like D114.

Just my .02
 
allenk4 said:
Even after a wash, the beading can't always be trusted...depends on the soap you used and how thoroughly it was rinsed from the surface


What car wash soap are you using?


If your prep and application was the same on the vertical and horizontal surfaces...the horizontal surfaces will typically fail before the vertical.

If the hood is still beading, you can be reasonably assured that the sides are protected
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Rsurfer....I think you may have misinterpreted my post

I agree that the hood and trunk usually fail before the door and fender panels, for the reasons you stated
 
I washed, clayed, washed again, then applied sealant. Right now I'm using some kind of Mother's soap. I don't remember the exact kind. Looking to use something different.
 
Personally I would have done an IPA wipe down. I Know a lot of people do a wash right before applying an LSP, but with a shampoo with no wax or gloss enhancers. If your shampoo had wax or gloss enhancers it could cause the sealant not to be able to bond with the paint. Which Wolfgang sealant?
 
What is an IPA wipe down? I'm still learning as much as I can from this forum. I used Wolfgang deep gloss paint sealant 3.0.
 
Ipa is alcohol. Some people like it and some don't. Search ipa wipe down. You'll find different threads to read up on
 
Wolfgang actually recommends their paint cleanser befor application. Whatever you use you have to make sure your applying the product to bare paint, or something left behind by a product designed to work specifically with the product you are using.
 
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