So you want to Opti-Coat do yah?
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Nano skin being competition, but I didn't read your post correctly sir. Being that 2.0 is discontinued, and no longer over the counter, opti Gloss is the only product they offer to consumers for paint care. The process is the same, curing time is the same.
allenk4
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Would you care to address the factual concerns I addressed in my reply?
If you say you spoke directly to OPT...why are you quoting BimmerForums? It seems quoting the manufacturer would be more likely to bolster your statements
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The total cure time for Opti-Coat 2.0 was stated by Optimum and their spokesperson to vary between 30-90 days. So: Are you absolutely sure that Gloss-Coat's total cure time is within the same time period?
Reason I ask is:
I have yet to find what Gloss-Coat's total cure time is officially stated to be...beyond the following information from Optimum's web sites listed below.
Would you be so kind to post any information that you may have, from Optimum, that's to the contrary? TIA.
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"Once application has been completed, the paint surface is touch dry within the hour. Thereafter Gloss-Coat continues to cross-link and harden.
Within hours it is resistant to liquids such as water and the vehicle can be driven as normal by its owner.
The Optimum Gloss-Coat coating continues to harden over time as it is exposed to heat".
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Bob
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I spoke with the company a few weeks ago about getting PRO for the future. They explained it was a 5 year warranty instead of a lifetime like they used to offer. I asked why, and they said that the product was not a durable as once believed to be. The Pro lasts a maximum of 5 years but was explained to me that the more sever weather we experience in NE may result in OPT failure in less time. HE recommended using the new Gloss coat system, which replaced the 2.0. It is the same ceramic coating, and yes it is not as durable as the PRO version. But...they are the same chemical compound, but the PRO is thicker and has a faster flash time. HE recommended re-applying gloss coat every 1-2 years.
There is no official report of gloss coats curing time, but the assumption is that Gloss coat and 2.0 are similar in some manner. The reason for this thread was to give an idea of the steps and prep work needed for people curious about the opti coat products. Whether it be 2.0, gloss coat, or PRO, the work required is exactly the same...thanks.
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Can this be used on yachts?
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Contradiction? Nope. I said the same thing. Requires same amount of prep work, same steps, and ending in a ceramic hydrophobic layer of protection to the paint. One is thicker, and one is thinner. One lasts less than the other due to thickness. This is what I was told. This is why I double coat my cars.
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Maybe its because people here don't want to pay for PRO because I have had quotes upward of $800 for complete details with PRO, Gloss is more affordable. I explained this to them, and this is why it was recommended.
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^^^ :dig: ^^^
Appreciate your wanting to be an Optimum Coatings' coadjutant. However, IMHO:
You're lagging a few years behind.
Here's just a couple of my many favorite Optimum Coating threads over that time period:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...2-0-permanent-paint-protection-made-easy.html
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ew-extreme-testing-opti-coat-2-0-cquartz.html
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...videos/35100-video-opti-coat-application.html
Bob
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And maybe you still don't know what the difference is between 2.0, Gloss Coat, and "Pro".
The PRICE of OCP isn't an issue. What has become an issue with even long time Optimum supporters is the new policy of buying $3600 a year of ONLY Opti-Coat Pro.
Per Optimum:
"Opti-Coat Approved Installers will be required to purchase a minimum of $300 in Optimum products per month to remain authorized and listed in the Opti-Coat database. Purchases will be reviewed quarterly. Optimum is offering a 20% discount to Pro Installers on all non-professional products for full case orders (and the cases can be mixed product)."
Your original post was about installing Opti-Coat 2.0. In fact, that is a product that Optimum does not sell or support at this time. That product has for years been sold as a permanent coating. Then for those that wanted a "pro" option they could (on certain vehicles) get a "lifetime warranty" on yet another permanent coating, Opti-Coat Pro.
"What exactly is Opti-Coat 2.0? It's not wax or sealant that wears off over time. Opti-Coat 2.0 is actually a resin-based coating that acts as a second layer of clear coat to provide permanent paint protection over the lifespan of your vehicle."
There is absolutely no correlation between Gloss Coat and Opti-Coat 2.0 other than the name Optimum. Opti-Coat 2.0 is much MUCH closer to Opti-Coat Pro in fact. Looking at your original post, and continued post(s) it's unclear if you are recommending Pro, 2.0, or Gloss Coat. Although you make no bones about buying 2.0 on the internet. Which is only being sold by guys that bought up remaining stock and are riding the wave of (unavailable) supply and demand, just as Twinkies were selling for over $50 a box last year when it was announced that the company was going out of business!
(I'll hook you up with some "original" Twinkies, or even chocolate Twinkies if you want, just deposit funds into my PayPal account and I'll ship um' right out.) :laughing:
Don't believe me; this is what was stated about 2.0 in when it first came out, in a well read on-line review, back in early summer 2012. OVER 2½ years ago, so yeah, you're a bit late to the 2.0 party.
"I feel this product is idea for any car where the owner doesn’t want to spend the time needed to maintain or worry about waxing the finish regularly. If the coating is applied over a finish that is swirled or scratched it will basically “lock in” those defects, making it more difficult to remove them later on. The coating itself is permanent and it will add a measurable thickness to the paint (1-4 microns), meaning you will have to polish through the coating before you’d get to the defects previously in the paint. This is why we strongly stress having the paint polished to perfection or to a level that you are happy with prior to application."
Gloss Coat is a 12~24 month coating. It is a good one, and by all apparent methodology it's much better looking, but it's still nowhere near the durability of what 2.0 was. The truth of the matter however is that there are about as many of these "2 Year Coatings" these days as you have fingers to apply them with.
What Gloss Coat does is very similar to what other 12~24 month coatings these days do, maybe nothing more, maybe nothing less. (Or at least VERY similar in various aspects.) All are incredibly easy to apply, (with proper prep) all provide excellent gloss, and ALL will need some sort of "boost", "booster", "boosting" between every 6 to 12 months. All can also be topped with some sort of LSP that you choose. Some LSP's obviously have better results, some less, some even offer "synergy", and/or may have products released directly from said manufacturers that are out there JUST FOR THAT PURPOSE.
That isn't saying that Gloss Coat isn't a great product. From the reviews thus far it seems to offer exactly what it attempted to do. What Optimum did do however is release a product that is priced higher than most competing products of the same ilk.
If you were being quoted ONLY "upward of $800 for complete details with PRO" I suggest you get it done right away! You do know that the MSP for OCP is $495 right? That's not for all the paint correction, that's JUST for the coating. I know that I'd never EVER do all the work that proper installation takes, AND endure the associated cost of the product for such a low profit margin that an $800 package would represent.
And that was BEFORE one had to commit to $3600 worth of OC-Pro a year! When you consider that in a great deal of the country you'll not be able to install OC-Pro (and have it properly cure) but 6~9 months during the year that puts your cost(s) at 'upward of' $600 a month JUST TO BE ABLE TO OFFER IT.
THIS is the true reason that Gloss Coat was recommended to you.
Then there is the fact that short of buying Gloss Coat here at AutoGeek in the 20cc syringe for $99.99 you'll have to pay $59.99 everywhere for 10cc. That's one HALF of the 2.0 offering, and one quarter of the long ago 40cc syringe from Optimum.
(Both of which BTW were an AMAZING value for the dollar!)
Oooorrrrrrrr.... just head on over to eBay with TWO crisp $100 bills and they'll set ya' right up with Opti-Coat twwwwooooo point oooooooooohhhhhhh.
As Bob (and pretty much everyone else) mentioned and/or alluded to;
"You're lagging a few years behind."
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Thanks for bringing me up to speed. I will be installing gloss coat, and clearly I won't waste the money on opc pro. Although here in RI there is some awful weather and it would be a great sell, but I would be the only one who does it because I haven't seen anyone offer it as a service.
Since this was my first post, I do realize it was a bit brash to post on something I wasn't fully up to speed on. The write up isn't incorrect, just as quoted "lagging behind". i apologize for that, I'll try and be a bit more educated and up to speed on products before I so boldly make write ups on them.
Since this was my first post, I do realize it was a bit brash to post on something I wasn't fully up to speed on. The write up isn't incorrect, just as quoted "lagging behind". i apologize for that, I'll try and be a bit more educated and up to speed on products before I so boldly make write ups on them.
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I look forward to your next thread with great anticipation.
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Good to know. :xyxthumbs:
Just to clarify though.... Opti-Coat Pro is NOT a waste of money! (To have it installed on a vehicle that you feel worthy of a coating that offers what it does.) It is a well respected, well proven coating. Where some of the problems have surfaced (at least on the internet) and among (some) detailers/installers is in the verbiage calling it "permanent". That connotation belies itself well within the realm of actual 'paint' (and by extension, clear coat). It has been argued (well discussed vigorously at least)
that to be 'permanent' it would indeed last as long as your vehicle. And we all know, that unless it is properly maintained, even your clear coat doesn't last the life of your vehicle. :laughing:OTOH, as for longevity, OCP has no rival(s). Some like it, some don't. It's a different "look" some have said. Where others have documented a different "feel".
But yeah.... having to commit to $3600 (just for the unadulterated privilege to offer it) may actually be a waste of (at the very least) funds that could be well spent elsewhere.
As do we all.......... :buffing:
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what the hell is going on in here lol