So you want to Opti-Coat do yah?

[jarred767]

But yeah.... having to commit to $3600 (just for the unadulterated privilege to offer it) may actually be a waste of (at the very least) funds that could be well spent elsewhere.

I agree with a lot of what you said, however if your able to sell the Opticoat that you're purchasing to your customers then it can be well worth the investment. If you purchase 24 Opticoat syringes ($150 each so $3600 total) and sell them for the suggested retail price ($500) then you net $8,400 a year in just Opticoat application (plus a whole lot more on all the prep for those cars.

As the saying goes...gotta spend money to money...

 

[allenk4]

I agree with a lot of what you said, however if your able to sell the Opticoat that you're purchasing to your customers then it can be well worth the investment. If you purchase 24 Opticoat syringes ($150 each so $3600 total) and sell them for the suggested retail price ($500) then you net $8,400 a year in just Opticoat application (plus a whole lot more on all the prep for those cars.

As the saying goes...gotta spend money to money...

There are no Opti-Coat Pro installers in Rhode Island where the OP is located...maybe there is not a sufficient market to do the 24 Opti-Coat 2.0 applications, even at $500 per

When was this batch of 2.0 manufactured, shelf-life, etc

 

[jarred767]

I was more speaking in general terms, but yes, demand is something that does need to be there...but maybe there's no pro installers because no one's tried it yet??? Maybe there is untapped demand...

 

[Anthony Orosco]

Opti-Coat Pro should not be applied for anything under $499.00

That's JUST for the application. That price is not with any paint correction. Paint correction is at an additional cost.

That price should not include an "interior" detail either. That should also be extra.

Now what does an OCP application include?

At our shop we wash it, give it a prime step, then spray on the Opti-Coat. We give a courtesy vacuum and that's it.

If the paint needs correction we charge an extra $175.00 on average for 1 step. Second step and third steps at $150.00 each on average. Of course larger vehicles more.

Now as for the misunderstandings on the 2.0 and Gloss Coat...2.0 was discontinued because of warranty confusion with the PRO version and installers passing off 2.0 as warrantied PRO version.

2.0 was tweaked, in a good way actually, as it now leaves the painted surface with a real nice gloss and better slickness thus Gloss-Coat was created. Very easy to apply and has at least a year or more durability. Gloss-Coat is a small component in the larger scheme of Optimum Coatings, one that will be used by recognized Optimum Coating installers.

For those of you applying either the PRO version or the Gloss-Coat, remember that the key to longevity is keeping the painted surfaces clean on a regular basis and not allowing environmental junk to settle and grab hold on the coated surfaces.

Sell that idea to your customers. This benefits all parties involved. It fulfills your promise that the coatings, when properly applied, do last as specified which in turn creates a happy customer who feels they got their money's worth and will most likely be back. It also may create a weekly repeat customer who comes in for washes, or at least a bi-weekly maintenance program which makes you money.

For those on the ground floor of the Optimum system, continue to be patient and watch.

Anthony

 

[cardaddy]

There are no Opti-Coat Pro installers in Rhode Island where the OP is located...maybe there is not a sufficient market to do the 24 Opti-Coat 2.0 applications, even at $500 per

When was this batch of 2.0 manufactured, shelf-life, etc

Allen, he wasn't talking about 2.0, the price of OCP is $150.
(Providing of course you can/will purchase the minimum monthly requirement.)
Which btw makes it even MORE insane that people are going to auction sites to buy 2.0 for $199. :dunno:

Although I'm still not totally sold on the pretense that 2.0 was being sold and marketed as OCPro and THAT is the ONLY reason it was discontinued. I mean sure, by and large it was sold, offered, and claimed to have a 5 year longevity on properly prepped vehicles. That, (also by and large) is plenty enough for most people.

What likely was happening was that due to the availability of such a product, that the sales of OCPro could have suffered, and the "authorized" installers of that product felt that it was taking money out of their pockets.

That's all on the assumption that the individuals that opted for 2.0 would have actually been willing to pay $495 for OCPro. Now if those people actually PAID $495 for 2.0 then shame on both them and the installer for not doing it right in the first place.

As it is, the option of a 'semi-permanent' option such a 2.0 no longer exists. Then again OCPro is now a semi-permanent (5 year) option, so there ya' go. :dblthumb2:

The old saying; Toe-Mae-Toe - - - - - Tah-Mah-toe comes into mind.

 

[FUNX650]

Opti-Coat Pro should not be applied for anything under $499.00

That's JUST for the application. That price is not with any paint correction. Paint correction is at an additional cost.

That price should not include an "interior" detail either. That should also be extra.

Now what does an OCP application include?

At our shop we wash it, give it a prime step, then spray on the Opti-Coat. We give a courtesy vacuum and that's it.

If the paint needs correction we charge an extra $175.00 on average for 1 step. Second step and third steps at $150.00 each on average. Of course larger vehicles more.

Anthony

Bob

 

[FTD]

Just to clarify though.... Opti-Coat Pro is NOT a waste of money! (To have it installed on a vehicle that you feel worthy of a coating that offers what it does.) It is a well respected, well proven coating. Where some of the problems have surfaced (at least on the internet) and among (some) detailers/installers is in the verbiage calling it "permanent". That connotation belies itself well within the realm of actual 'paint' (and by extension, clear coat). It has been argued (well discussed vigorously at least) that to be 'permanent' it would indeed last as long as your vehicle. And we all know, that unless it is properly maintained, even your clear coat doesn't last the life of your vehicle. :laughing:

OTOH, as for longevity, OCP has no rival(s). Some like it, some don't. It's a different "look" some have said. Where others have documented a different "feel".

But yeah.... having to commit to $3600 (just for the unadulterated privilege to offer it) may actually be a waste of (at the very least) funds that could be well spent elsewhere.



As do we all.......... :buffing:[/quote]
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I actually emailed them about 3 days ago about pro, and they sent me a form to fill out with guidelines. It says only licensed and certified installers may purchase opc pro. And a required amount is to be purchased each month. Confirming what you said. I think I will invest in pro when my revenue is high enough, until then opc gloss it is!!

 

[allenk4]

Allen, he wasn't talking about 2.0, the price of OCP is $150.

Understood

I was referencing the lack of OCP installers in the OP's state of Rhode Island as a possible indicator of the lack of demand for a $500 coating using OC2.0

 

[tdekany]

Bob

What are you trying to say here? What is highway robbery? The silica based coatings that have to be sold for more than OC Pro? If that is the case, I agree.

If a "PRO" authorized installer can't sell 2 coatings a month to spend $3600 a year, that detailer should not be offering OCP to begin with. Also, $3600 is total Optimum products, not only OCP

 

[jarred767]

If a "PRO" authorized installer can't sell 2 coatings a month to spend $3600 a year, that detailer should not be offering OCP to begin with. Also, $3600 is total Optimum products, not only OCP

:dblthumb2:

....Now what does an OCP application include?

At our shop we wash it, give it a prime step, then spray on the Opti-Coat. We give a courtesy vacuum and that's it.....

....For those on the ground floor of the Optimum system, continue to be patient and watch.

Anthony

Thanks for all that info Anthony, it's pretty much in line with what I was thinking and the prices you mentioned are what I was expecting and along the lines of what I will be charging; your's are slightly higher, but in the same realm as I'm still one of those on the "ground floor."

One question though, you mentioned that your base level includes a prime step, and I was curious what you meant by this compared to a one-step polish as the way I have it set up, my most basic OC Pro install includes a 1-step polish. Just curious what that prime step is if it's all you do after washing and before applying OCP. Thanks!

 

[builthatch]

What are you trying to say here? What is highway robbery? The silica based coatings that have to be sold for more than OC Pro? If that is the case, I agree.

If a "PRO" authorized installer can't sell 2 coatings a month to spend $3600 a year, that detailer should not be offering OCP to begin with. Also, $3600 is total Optimum products, not only OCP

:xyxthumbs:

One question though, you mentioned that your base level includes a prime step, and I was curious what you meant by this compared to a one-step polish as the way I have it set up, my most basic OC Pro install includes a 1-step polish. Just curious what that prime step is if it's all you do after washing and before applying OCP. Thanks!

OC Pro is sent with a primer polish. from what i understand, it's basically Hyper with an adhesion promoter-type of additive.

 

[builthatch]

:xyxthumbs:



OC Pro is sent with a primer polish. from what i understand, it's basically Hyper with an adhesion promoter-type of additive.

also, it looks/smells like the latest "blue" version of Hyper.

PS: DOUBLE POSTING BECAUSE OF THE RIDICULOUS EDIT TIME LIMIT

 

[jarred767]

:xyxthumbs:



OC Pro is sent with a primer polish. from what i understand, it's basically Hyper with an adhesion promoter-type of additive.

Thanks for the info, I'm waiting on my first order of the Pro stuff, so I probably would have figured that out myself sooner or later, but thanks for clarifying, appreciate it :xyxthumbs:

 

[tdekany]

Thanks for the info, I'm waiting on my first order of the Pro stuff, so I probably would have figured that out myself sooner or later, but thanks for clarifying, appreciate it :xyxthumbs:

The new Prep Polish has been tweaked and it leaves an insane amount of gloss.

 

[Anthony Orosco]

:dblthumb2:



Thanks for all that info Anthony, it's pretty much in line with what I was thinking and the prices you mentioned are what I was expecting and along the lines of what I will be charging; your's are slightly higher, but in the same realm as I'm still one of those on the "ground floor."

One question though, you mentioned that your base level includes a prime step, and I was curious what you meant by this compared to a one-step polish as the way I have it set up, my most basic OC Pro install includes a 1-step polish. Just curious what that prime step is if it's all you do after washing and before applying OCP. Thanks!

Optimum sends out a small bottle of Prime with each PRO coating. This is a very mild correction polish and paint cleaner. It's job is as a paint "prep" for the coating more so than paint correction. With that said though the Prime can finish out nicely with proper pad selection. So if the paint you are working on is in need of an additional correction step you "should" be charging for that extra step. At least $150 or more.

Prime should remove any waxes and oils and leave the paint good for the OCP.

Hope that clarifies.
Anthony

 

[Chris Thomas]

My goodness, I've never seen this much bad information in one place.

 

[toycar18]

My goodness, I've never seen this much bad information in one place.

So set the record straight.

It is optimum's reputation on the line.

 

[jarred767]

My goodness, I've never seen this much bad information in one place.

I would love to hear your perspective on it as well. I'm really excited to have recently joined the OPT ranks and learned a lot from your previous posts. What "good information" do you have to share? Would love to hear it!

 

[allenk4]

Especially regarding the coating thickness claims (1-2 microns) vs. Product used per panel (a few drops)

 

[SportEL]

Opti-Coat Pro should not be applied for anything under $499.00

That's JUST for the application. That price is not with any paint correction. Paint correction is at an additional cost.

That price should not include an "interior" detail either. That should also be extra.

Now what does an OCP application include?

At our shop we wash it, give it a prime step, then spray on the Opti-Coat. We give a courtesy vacuum and that's it.

If the paint needs correction we charge an extra $175.00 on average for 1 step. Second step and third steps at $150.00 each on average. Of course larger vehicles more.

...

OCP is a Spray?