Explain aio cleaner wax

frankprozzoly

frankprozzoly

New member
Joined
Mar 28, 2014
Messages
1,596
Reaction score
0
I'm reading the thread about fine polishes not being needed so much nowadays because of good technology.

Mike mentioned using cleaner wax to polish and protect.

If you use megs conditioner cream for example, is that it? You don't have to use a sealant? Or should you top it with a designated sealant or wax
 
Ok now I've read some reviews saying this is more for numbers
 
frankprozzoly said:
I'm reading the thread about fine polishes not being needed so much nowadays because of good technology.

Mike mentioned using cleaner wax to polish and protect.

If you use megs conditioner cream for example, is that it? You don't have to use a sealant? Or should you top it with a designated sealant or wax
Click to expand...

Fine polishes are very much alive its the survival of the medium cut polish that was being questioned.
 
Good questions.... I always wonder what length of protection does the AIO or cleaner waxes trully offer... in my experience about 1-2months based on car of the car.
 
This doesn't address your question, but Meg's conditioner cream (D151) is ideal for high-volume shops (Numbers) because it can remove moderate defects and provide some wax protection, and its cut-ability is controllable by the pad selected. Well, that's what AG says about it, but aren't all polishes controllable by pad selection?
Edit: Never mind, I get it about pad and polish combos. It's very early for me right now.
 
Having recently experienced with a couple of AIO products; AIO has some correcting ability and some protection. AIO is (IMO) a product that has "just enough" of what you want to accomplish. This is my 1st time using AIO's. I wanted to see what the "talk" of an AIO is all about.

My guess, AIO serves it purpose, however, many here on the AGO site prefer the 2-Step process (compound/polish). Today's correcting brands (Menzerna, Wolfgang, Megs, etc.) have SUPERIOR correcting capability than an AIO. Additionally, if your technique is sound (most are on AGO); the time to correct is just a little longer than if you were to use an AIO.

However, the final result is SIGNIFICANTLY better than an AIO.

AIO is a compromise of correcting and protection. It is for some people and for the customer (if you have a business) that really does not want "the perfect shine" but a "decent" shine.

Again, my opinion.
 
expdetailing said:
This doesn't address your question, but Meg's conditioner cream (D151) is ideal for high-volume shops (Numbers) because it can remove moderate defects and provide some wax protection, and its cut-ability is controllable by the pad selected. Well, that's what AG says about it, but aren't all polishes controllable by pad selection?
Edit: Never mind, I get it about pad and polish combos. It's very early for me right now.
Click to expand...

This is what I meant by numbers. Its good for dealerships, mass detailing
 
Zubair said:
Fine polishes are very much alive its the survival of the medium cut polish that was being questioned.
Click to expand...

Ok I was a little confused by this. So they meant that they would compound then use a finishing polish instead of something like 205
 
Kamakaz1961 said:
Having recently experienced with a couple of AIO products; AIO has some correcting ability and some protection. AIO is (IMO) a product that has "just enough" of what you want to accomplish. This is my 1st time using AIO's. I wanted to see what the "talk" of an AIO is all about.

My guess, AIO serves it purpose, however, many here on the AGO site prefer the 2-Step process (compound/polish). Today's correcting brands (Menzerna, Wolfgang, Megs, etc.) have SUPERIOR correcting capability than an AIO. Additionally, if your technique is sound (most are on AGO); the time to correct is just a little longer than if you were to use an AIO.

However, the final result is SIGNIFICANTLY better than an AIO.

AIO is a compromise of correcting and protection. It is for some people and for the customer (if you have a business) that really does not want "the perfect shine" but a "decent" shine.

Again, my opinion.
Click to expand...

Please explain a bit more

For me an AIO takes much less time than a one-step polish followed by machine application if wax or sealant
 
For what it's worth, I just used klasse aio to remove dried plant bulb (fruit?) Organic material from the roof of my van. Previously, I tried ultima waterless, then a pressure washer. It didn't budge. However, with klasse and a finger pocket, I rubbed for 60 seconds or so, and it came out glossy.
I would highly recommend everyone to have a decent aio in their stash because it has many uses, and saves time.
Recently, I used klasse aio to clean the jambs on an 02 CRV, and it worked like magic.
The years of contamination were removed in a short period of time with the aio, and the jambs were left very glossy. It's amazing to see actually how much contamination has fallen onto a surface, only to be revealed once it has been removed.
 
allenk4 said:
Please explain a bit more

For me an AIO takes much less time than a one-step polish followed by machine application if wax or sealant
Click to expand...

I just worked on a car that had swirls galore!! I tried the AIO and the amount of time I was spending to remove the swirls took too long so that is when I went to the 2-step (FG400/SF4500).

The car had the show car shine (before sealant). Since it was a friend of mine's car, I wanted to let her see the big difference. The sad thing she did not even look at the car! She said nice job and then left! I felt USED!!....LOL I learned a good lesson...I could have used the AIO and get rid of a majority of the swirls and stop after I was done as AIO has protection too.

When I did work on her hood with the AIO I still saw swirls, however, not as much. The time I spent trying to get rid of all the swirls took way longer than if I went to a 2-step as I was trying to remove ALL of the swirls.

In hindsight, she was perfect for AIO as it would have saved me time for sure. I now know when AIO is perfect for the right person. Is AIO better than 2-Step? No way.

A decent shine is what I expect from an AIO not a perfect shine. You would definitely save more time with an AIO if your objective is for some correction with some protection.

She was perfect for AIO, which I learned afterwards.

Again, AIO would not be for MY ride or my close friends ride as I think it is not as good as a 2-Step Sealant/wax.

I will have AIO in my arsenal for this reason...a person that really does not care about what a car should look like but wants a decent shine/protection. In her eyes, she would think that would be a perfect shine....it would not be in mine but she could care less.

AGAIN, I felt used and abused!! Wham Bam Thank You MAN!....LOL

:nomore::buffing:
 
no sense in working in an AIO over and over to remove swirls. work it long enough to clean the paint and remove light marring/scratches and move on. if one is wanting to use it to remove swirls with multiple passes, you might as well use a dedicated polish/compound for that purpose...
 
I admit that I am a AIO fan. My cars are taking care of when washing, drying and some QD so an AIO works for me when getting things up to speed again also cars are light in color....
 
Most people see swirls as normal, all they after is a glossy shine. Detailers on the otherhand want perfection.
 
For those blessed with the time available to do two or three steps at once, or the ability to be suitably compensated for two or three steps on a customer vehicle, I agree that an AIO has limited value. In my world, it's more about squeezing out a few hours to handle one of your own fleet. I'd never be without Meguiar's D151 or DG501 on the shelf unless I found something that worked better. After a wash, clay & AIO polish, it may be a week or a month until time is found to finish the job. With a good AIO, I can return later for the final wax or sealant step and not have to redo the work already completed.

Bill
 
i use an AIO (Poli-Seal) largely for cleaning up coated stuff.

it also works well for cleaning mildy spotted glass.

as mentioned, it's nice to use by hand as well in hard to reach areas that are painted or hard plastic, such as in engine bays, jambs, etc.

when my wife had her Si, that car was never coated or fully corrected. the finish was super soft so every once in a while i would just go over it with Poli-Seal, the equiv of a LC gray pad or B&S black and a DA. it would make it look really nice but wouldn't obviously get rid of the more major stuff, even on that soft finish.

you read a lot about people putting Reload on CQ, Opti-Seal on Optimum coatings...well, Poli-Seal has a similar effect on top of cleaning the coating of very minor etching or deposits. it has a sealant component similar to Opti-Seal.

Frank, the thing about medium polishes was that over a large percentage of cars now, you can mix and match pads and the new school high tech compounds or polishes to achieve pretty much any level of correction necessary. on a lot of finishes, there are compounds now that finish LSP ready or almost LSP ready for the really picky...and there are polishes that are aggro enough with the right pad to remove crazy damage but can finish up with the best finish polishes. the product flexibility is off the charts now.
 
frankprozzoly said:
I've been thinking of possibly detailing part time in the future. This is why it makes me think twice. I guess you have to find the right clientele that wants to pay for a good service
Click to expand...

You are so correct! IMO MOST people would be perfect for an AIO. Based on the majority of the work I have done on most of my friends cars...they just glance at your work and say "Good Job".

I consider you and most people here on AGO's site as Artists or perfectionists or Obsessed with making your rides or anyone else's ride look great. I get real excited when you finish a great detail.

That being said, when I see how "most" people look at their cars after your hard work, it can be dis-heartening. I will explain to them what I did how many steps I went through, what type of products used, etc. They look at you with glass eyes. Talk about a Bubble Buster.

I learned that AIO is great for most people. You will clean the car and protect it with one product.

After my most recent experience...AIO is good for most people....that really could care less about a great shine. These are the people that will take their cars to a car wash even when you tell them how bad it is....oh well, lesson learned!
 
M205 is not a medium cut polish. You are correct to say AIOs are for "numbers", but in the case of DG 105 - which I have a lot of experience with - the little extra bit of chemical cleaners is useful for glass or chromed plastic trim. I like the idea of cleaner wax/AIO in areas like door jambs where I won't use a machine, but want a tad bit of correction and decent protection by hand.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top