The Rupes UHS System - Just a few comments after using it all day...

Thanks for the response Mike! I totally understand what position you are in. You are the face of many products and tools!

Now I need a Rupes!!! LoL!!
 
Very good system...I had a opportunity to test it also....and results were great...I dont own rupes machines, but if it works on flex, I Would buy it. Great system
 
Was going to ask if this would work on a 3401 setup? Right now I use pf2500 as my main one step.

If you are using an AIO polish in one step process, then you have an equivalent solution using a Flex and Menzerna. Unless you need the longer throw of the Rupes 21, you should be good with Flex/Menzerna combo.

If you are not happy with your combo then you should consider changing the polish (emphasizing Mike's comment that the polish selection is key) first rather than the machine or pads.
 
There are plenty of other pad/compound combos that will work as a 1-step with the 3401.
 
Mike,

I would really enjoy watching the video of your correction of the Hudson on YouTube. Seems like it's been a long time since one of your, full correction, videos has been posted.

I know it's not easy but it would be nice. I think it's powerful advertising for AG products.

Thanks for the write up and pictures, enjoyed them.
 
I just now checked and the 2006 Mustang Meguiars video has 11,868 views and the '65 Mustang cut and buff 1 and 2 has 66,622 views.

Of course a few of these are me watching more than once.

Maybe you all can do one for all of us to watch on YouTube soon.

Thanks.
 
If you are using an AIO polish in one step process, then you have an equivalent solution using a Flex and Menzerna. Unless you need the longer throw of the Rupes 21, you should be good with Flex/Menzerna combo.

If you are not happy with your combo then you should consider changing the polish (emphasizing Mike's comment that the polish selection is key) first rather than the machine or pads.

Yeah I pretty much use Menzerna with my 3401. I have pf2500 that I use as my one step polish. For AIO I have Wolfgang Uber AIO and Megs D151.

No issues with either really. I dont need the UHS. Just like an excuse to try new stuff! LoL!!
 
Thanks Mike.

I am tempted to order this system, but I have had such incredibly good results with HD Adapt and the Rupes Yellow pads that I really cannot imagine a better result...at least from a cut/finish standpoint.

I'll keep a close eye on what the reviewers say, but for now, I'll continue to sit on the sidelines. :)
 
Oh no, I just bought into the menzerna system with the flex. I don't think my wallet cannot afford another system and I am running out of cars to polish. Maybe when the current supplies run out and I get bored.


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I received my UHS system last week pads & polish. Haven't had a chance to use it yet but noticed the pads are quite a bit firmer than I would think. They feel stiff not at all like a polishing pad but like an aggressive cutting pad. How does that pad produce a final shine?
 
I received my UHS system last week pads & polish. Haven't had a chance to use it yet but noticed the pads are quite a bit firmer than I would think.

They feel stiff not at all like a polishing pad but like an aggressive cutting pad.

How does that pad produce a final shine?


Keen observation and you're 100% correct. The pads also hold their rigidness or stiffness for a while before softening up as you continue working a single pad. I don't know if Rupes has an official recommendation as to how many pads you should use for any specific car or an official recommendation as to when to change to a clean, dry pad.

I do know from use that the longer you buff with a UHS pad it does start to soften up with product saturation.

I used and abused the pads on the blue Ferrari to test and push them to their limit for my own knowledge. That said, my normal practice and what I've recommended on this forum for the last 5 years is that...

More pads are better


That means, it's faster when buffing out a car to be able to switch to a clean, dry pad after buffing out a panel or two with the current pad.

That means for an average size passenger car you want a range of 6-9 pads. For example, buff out the roof, (usually a large panel), and then switch to a fresh pad when you tackle the hood, (usually a large panel). You can tackle both panels with one pad but you'll see the performance of the entire process diminish with any foam pad on the market as the pad becomes wet with product.

So it's alway faster to switch to a clean dry pad often and in my opinion especially for what I call the Gloss Panels in my how-to book The Complete Guide to a Show Car Shine (and I explain why).

Also, by using more pads when buffing out entire cars for a full or part time detailing job, you'll get more use out of the pads overall as you won't be punishing them as much trying to get as much use out of a single pad in a single detailing project before switching out to a dry clean pad.

That's the pad side of my answer to your question.


The more important question is answered in post #14 of this thread when Mark aka ZL1 Mark asked,

If it was designed for hard clearcoats, I would assume it may not finish as well on soft paint systems?


And I answered...

Mike Phillips said:
Never assume... always do a test spot...

It's worked on everything I've used it on so and I haven't really heard about any negative experiences. Time will tell.

I have a few more projects coming up, all with custom paint, not factory paint so hang tight...


This system was made for hard clearcoats and this means both the pad and the polishing compound could potentially NOT finish well on all paint system and especially softer paint systems.

So always test first.

Good question.


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Mike, I just received my UHS Pads and polish yesterday and had some questions. I've heard of some people running these pads under warm water then spinning them out to soften them up before use. Do you recommend doing that or should I just use them dry and allow the gradual application of product soften them up? Also does the pad need to be primed or should I just use 3 small drops? I've heard multiple things and thought Id ask you for a clear answer since you've had the opportunity to really play with this new product. Thanks!
 
Mike, I just received my UHS Pads and polish yesterday and had some questions. I've heard of some people running these pads under warm water then spinning them out to soften them up before use.

Do you recommend doing that or should I just use them dry and allow the gradual application of product soften them up?

First these pads are pretty stiff when clean and dry. When I buffed out this Ferrari using these pads I did NOT pre-soften the foam using warm or hot water or any other wetting agent.

Second, Rupes does not recommend any type of wetting process before use or using any type of wetting agent before use. Simply apply UHS directly to the pad like shown here,


How do I prime a Rupes Foam Pad on a Rupes Polisher?

Here's the answer.


Question: How do I prime a Rupes pad on a Rupes Polisher?

Answer: You don't.

That is you don't prime a RUPES pad with RUPES compounds and polishes the same way you prime pads for other dual action polishers.


Instead, you KISS or Keep it Simple Simon and simply apply 3 drops about the size of dimes on the face of the pad like this,

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For the first sections or two I did see some buffer trails on the Ferrari paint but after buffing the pads broke in and softened up I made a few passes over the first section and this removed the trails or buffing pattern.

This was also with the 4" pad on the LHR75. Smaller size pad diameters are more prone to this type of light marring and I only saw it on the deck lid around the louvers.

In the below picture, this is UHS ONLY - No wax, sealant or any other product had been applied to the paint at the time I took this picture. Also, Todd Helme stopped by and checked it out thought it looked very good.

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Also does the pad need to be primed or should I just use 3 small drops?

I've heard multiple things and thought Id ask you for a clear answer since you've had the opportunity to really play with this new product.

Thanks!


And just to be upfront I've only used this "system" approach on two cars to date. This is why I have strongly recommended that anyone and everyone do a TEST SPOT before buffing out an entire car.

I have communicated with Marco D'Inca just recently about the UHS system and while it is positioned as a new system for some of the new, harder clear coat paint systems being sprayed it can be used on any kind of paint. Just test first.


If it were me personally, I would not introduce water to these foam pads. I would use them as recommended. If the pad and the product on your Rupes polisher isn't working as expected and hoped for then switch back to one of the other Rupes compounds and pads and repeat the test spot procedure.


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I know you recommendation is 6-9 pads, but how many did you use on the Ferrari? Also thanks for sharing how to prime a Rupes Pad, do you have instructions for their MF pads?
 
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