Griots Garage 6in buffer

Brownie said:
I wanted to chime in quick and respond to your question.

The Flex 4301 is a great tool and due to its' 8mm forced rotation orbit it will deliver consistent defect correction throughout all panels...less dependent on technique. Personally, I've had a Flex 4301 since it was first introduced and have not had much time on it. Personal preference I guess.

As for the GG6, I've spent an insane amount of time with the Porter Cable, G110v2, Dewalt, MT300 orbitals and am confident the GG6 delivers the highest pad rotation available. Again, my opinion.

This rotation, combined with slow arm speed and the appropriate pad/liquid will deliver as much paint correction as anyone needs. There may be a trade off with increased time, relative to a Flex or Long-Throw Orbital.

Microfiber will contribute to the greatest correction. The fibers have less grab on the finish and will increase pad rotation. This combined with the mechanical cutting of the fiber will cut very efficiently. Drawback- micro marring may be evident on some clears.

Foam- will finish out better, but sacrifice in correction.

One solution you may consider is to use the Griot's Garage BOSS Pads (8mm thick) on the GG6. The pads will exhibit the following:
Reduced vibration (approximately 8-10grams lighter than comparable 1" pads)
Increase Pad Rotation - there is less absorption of energy which more efficiently transfers energy to the paint- byproduct - rotation
Increase stability- due to the lower center of gravity, the tool will be easier to control and more comfortable.

One of my personal favorites is the BOSS FAST Correcting Foam Pad- white. It cuts on the heals of microfiber, but will finish out with no micro-marring on most finishes.

I'm speaking from personal experience here.. not simply pushing one tool, pad or liquid over another. Please let me know if you've got additional questions.

PS- M105 and M205 are fantastic! I was fortunate to be part of the team at Meguiar's whom helped create them. Along side Jason Rose and team, it was a pleasure. M105 tends to dust and micro-mar oem finishes while used with an orbital. Suggest to check out Griot's Garage FAST Correcting Cream- a sub-micron abrasive which will cut as well as M105, but finish out better with no dust (most environments)
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Can you tell me exactly what a Flex 4301 is?
 
Brownie said:
Awesome!!!! It takes time to build a brand and earn people's trust. I don't expect it to happen overnight and know it takes time. I'm stoked you stepped up to the gallon. Pm me your address and I might send you a couple things to round out your system. It'd be cool to hear your thought in a reveiw once you've given BOSS a shot. Thanks bud
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Brownie, with the new Boss G21 system if you were going to do a one step followed up with your Finishing Sealant which product and pad combination would you recommend starting with for the following two vehicles.

Total correction is not the goal as a two step is not on the agenda, just the best I can get in a one step.

2008 Black BMW 335i

2014 Red Porsche Cayenne.

Thanks.
 
fejcharson said:
Thank you all for the advice I might grab some fg400 and maybe the hd cut. I have seen a lot about both. Ya the m 205 I dont have a problem with I almost try to avoid the 105 because of dusting and how hard it is to buff off. Anybody else have that problem? Will using fg400 and m 205 be alright as a combo?
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FG400 is a great compound. The biggest thing you have to remember with menzerna products is that they are DAT, so you have to work them all the way through the buffing cycle so the abrasives completely break down. If you don't you won't get the great finish that it's known for. Most Megs stuff is SMAT, so you can quit whenever you want.
 
custmsprty said:
Brownie, with the new Boss G21 system if you were going to do a one step followed up with your Finishing Sealant which product and pad combination would you recommend starting with for the following two vehicles.

Total correction is not the goal as a two step is not on the agenda, just the best I can get in a one step.

2008 Black BMW 335i

2014 Red Porsche Cayenne.



Thanks.
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If the finish is soft, go with Orange Correcting Foam Pad. I've used the Fast Correcting Foam Pad on BMW, Boxster S and even a new Silverado and experienced nice correction with no micro-marring. The Finishing Sealant removed 3000 Trizact on a Lexus with a Micro Fiber Fast Cutting Pad. The formula is cool, as it can be amped up depending on pad selection. A great all-in-one...
 
The only advantage that a flex 3401 has is the speed of some correction. The GG 6" has some advantages like a 3" backing plate

Flex doesn't have that ability
 
Brownie said:
If the finish is soft, go with Orange Correcting Foam Pad. I've used the Fast Correcting Foam Pad on BMW, Boxster S and even a new Silverado and experienced nice correction with no micro-marring. The Finishing Sealant removed 3000 Trizact on a Lexus with a Micro Fiber Fast Cutting Pad. The formula is cool, as it can be amped up depending on pad selection. A great all-in-one...
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Thanks for the advice, I'll give it try.
 
Thank you everyone for the very informative conversation with great information to take notes on. I will finish the remaining 105 and try some spritz with it. I am going to order two of the the three and try them out. From the Fg400, M100, or your very convincing Griots fast correcting cream. The lubrication feature would be a huge plus because the 105 is a job to buff off. So no need to polish after fast correcting cream? When did this stuff release? I have a question about my griots orange pads ripping on the edge, what would cause that?
 
fejcharson said:
Here is a picture
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Looks like it is starting to delaminate. Usually from too much heat build up caused by over saturating the pad with product and/or using the pad for too long before swapping it out for a different one. When you remove it are you pulling it off by the velcro or just pulling on the foam? Always best to pull directly on the velcro.

One the need to polish after compounding, there are several compounds available today that finish down well enough to just top with a wax or sealant. I think the Fast Correcting Cream was introduced by Griots as part of the BOSS system, but I'm not positive on that.
 
MIsnowman said:
Looks like it is starting to delaminate. Usually from too much heat build up caused by over saturating the pad with product and/or using the pad for too long before swapping it out for a different one. When you remove it are you pulling it off by the velcro or just pulling on the foam? Always best to pull directly on the velcro.

One the need to polish after compounding, there are several compounds available today that finish down well enough to just top with a wax or sealant. I think the Fast Correcting Cream was introduced by Griots as part of the BOSS system, but I'm not positive on that.
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MIsnowman said:
Looks like it is starting to delaminate. Usually from too much heat build up caused by over saturating the pad with product and/or using the pad for too long before swapping it out for a different one. When you remove it are you pulling it off by the velcro or just pulling on the foam? Always best to pull directly on the velcro.

One the need to polish after compounding, there are several compounds available today that finish down well enough to just top with a wax or sealant. I think the Fast Correcting Cream was introduced by Griots as part of the BOSS system, but I'm not positive on that.
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I try to make sure I get all Velcro backing. The problem could be not switching out pads enough. How often should the pad be switched for a clean one?
 
I use approximately 3-4 pads per mid size vehicle for each step.
 
fejcharson said:
Thank you everyone for the very informative conversation with great information to take notes on. I will finish the remaining 105 and try some spritz with it. I am going to order two of the the three and try them out. From the Fg400, M100, or your very convincing Griots fast correcting cream. The lubrication feature would be a huge plus because the 105 is a job to buff off. So no need to polish after fast correcting cream? When did this stuff release? I have a question about my griots orange pads ripping on the edge, what would cause that?
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If you end up reducing the amount of M105, that should take care of having it dry so hard. M34 is also designated to help remove the excess M105 residue - if you should need it.

The pad looks like it may have had too much pressure applied to it. Excessive pressure, and high speeds tend to be hard on pads. Thus could also be why your compound is drying so hard as well.

I use M105 on green hex logic pads, which have large open cells. It's my feeling that this helps keep things cool at the surface. I also follow Meguiar's directions of two moderate pressure passes, and two with lighter pressure, but never so much pressure that I crush the pad. I can get away with even less pressure using Lake Country Hydrotech Cyan pads. Those are my two favorite cutting pads. I really like FG400 on the Cyan, and Menzerna / Hydrotech in general. That being said, I've had great results with the Green and Blue Hex Logic pads with Menzerna as well.
 
I think im going to grab a few pads in different colors from lake country and try using less pressure. Im not making it pancake, but maybe less pressure I'll have to experiment. I feel like with not a decent amount of pressure no correction would occur.
 
fejcharson said:
I think im going to grab a few pads in different colors from lake country and try using less pressure. Im not making it pancake, but maybe less pressure I'll have to experiment. I feel like with not a decent amount of pressure no correction would occur.
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I have found that the correct combination of pad, product and pace have served me well. I don't apply a lot of pressure when I perform polishing steps. Mainly only if there is a specific defect that may need a little more attention.
 
custmsprty said:
I have found that the correct combination of pad, product and pace have served me well. I don't apply a lot of pressure when I perform polishing steps. Mainly only if there is a specific defect that may need a little more attention.
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What combo with pad is your go to?
 
Can you use the 6" Griots Foam Pads on a 6" Griots Buffer with a 6" backing plate or should you use 6.5" pads?
 
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